Testiranja - Arhiva

[kowalski]

Prvo su govorili kako žele šou učiniti zanimljivijim(brže propadanje guma), sad se baziraju na konzistentnosti. Imati ćemo, čini mi se četiri gumetine koje će bez problema odvaliti 300+ kilometara. Ovo testiranje je ionako mazanje očiju. Vjerojatno su kupili Bridgestonove specifikacije i nakeljili na gume natpis Pirelli.

[Igor18]

Prvo su govorili kako žele šou učiniti zanimljivijim(brže propadanje guma), sad se baziraju na konzistentnosti. Imati ćemo, čini mi se četiri gumetine koje će bez problema odvaliti 300+ kilometara. Ovo testiranje je ionako mazanje očiju. Vjerojatno su kupili Bridgestonove specifikacije i nakeljili na gume natpis Pirelli.

Da, sigurno

[Forza]

Pirreli test, Yas Marina, 19/11/2010

@Mike Gascoyne: First day of the Pirelli tyre test, abbout to do baseline run. Car running to 2011 weight regulations. Should be a very interesting day.

@Edd Straw: Williams again seem to be doing aero work, assessing the influence of the Pirelli rubber on the behaviour of the car.

@Edd Straw: Teams will have to make setup changes to get the best out of the Pirellis. Plus changes the car aerodynamically as well.

@Club Force India F1: Adrian comes in and reports some oversteer in high speed corners. Bit of a break coming up as some changes are made to the car

@Club Force India F1: A mechanical problem stops Adrian out on track. There will be some downtime while the car is fixed.

@Renault F1 Team: Almost time for lunch here at Yas Marina. Robert is currently P2 on a 1m 41.032 with 25 laps on the board.

@edd: Vettel's lap is a 1m40.861s, half-a-tenths faster than Massa.

@ Mike Gascoyne: Just finished the morning session, got lots of useful data and 42 laps completed

@Virgin Racing: Only 13 laps for Timo before lunch, but car seems to be working well on the Pirellis.

@Gary Paffett: First half a day over and pretty good so far Pirelli tyres seem to be working well and not too different from Bridgestone so a good start.

Vettel leads first morning of Pirelli test

[gringo73]

Evo šta Paffett (49 krugova dosad)kaže: First half a day over and pretty good so far Pirelli tyres seem to be working well and not too different from Bridgestone so a good start.
E sad, hoće li Pirelli šta na njima mijenjati do zime, vidit ćemo...nekako ne bih volio da su skroz iste kao BS.

[Forza]

Evo šta Paffett (49 krugova dosad)kaže: First half a day over and pretty good so far Pirelli tyres seem to be working well and not too different from Bridgestone so a good start.
E sad, hoće li Pirelli šta na njima mijenjati do zime, vidit ćemo...nekako ne bih volio da su skroz iste kao BS.

Smjesa se bi mjenjala, a samo konstrukcija ostaje kakva jest.

@ Edd: Early feedback generally positive for Pirelli rubber - a few have said less of a difference than they expected.

[Piquet20]

Konstrukcija je propisana pravilima ako se ne varam, tako da normalno da ce liciti na Bridgestonke.
Ja se samo nadam da ce razlika izmedju 4 smjese koje ce na kraju izabrati za koristenje tokom sezone biti medjusobno puno razlicitije, tako da se otvori mogucnost za razne takticke varijante, a ne kao ove sezone gdje su na vecini staza obje vrste guma mogle komotno trajati cijelu trku, a razlika u njihovim performansama je bila (pre)mala.

[130R]

Konstrukcija je propisana pravilima ako se ne varam, tako da normalno da ce liciti na Bridgestonke.
Ja se samo nadam da ce razlika izmedju 4 smjese koje ce na kraju izabrati za koristenje tokom sezone biti medjusobno puno razlicitije, tako da se otvori mogucnost za razne takticke varijante, a ne kao ove sezone gdje su na vecini staza obje vrste guma mogle komotno trajati cijelu trku, a razlika u njihovim performansama je bila (pre)mala.

Volio bi da mekše traju manje od polovice trke, recimo 1/3 ili 1/4, a tvrđe da mogu trajat i cjelu trku, ali da su drastično sporije, najmanje sekundu sporije od mekših, tako da se ne isplati vozit na njima jako dugo. To bi bilo zanimljivo.

[Forza]

[Piquet20]

Konstrukcija je propisana pravilima ako se ne varam, tako da normalno da ce liciti na Bridgestonke.
Ja se samo nadam da ce razlika izmedju 4 smjese koje ce na kraju izabrati za koristenje tokom sezone biti medjusobno puno razlicitije, tako da se otvori mogucnost za razne takticke varijante, a ne kao ove sezone gdje su na vecini staza obje vrste guma mogle komotno trajati cijelu trku, a razlika u njihovim performansama je bila (pre)mala.

Volio bi da mekše traju manje od polovice trke, recimo 1/3 ili 1/4, a tvrđe da mogu trajat i cjelu trku, ali da su drastično sporije, najmanje sekundu sporije od mekših, tako da se ne isplati vozit na njima jako dugo. To bi bilo zanimljivo.

...i jos da ukinu pravilo obavezne promjene guma pa neka krenu nadigravanja

[kowalski]

Intrigira me što će Massa izjaviti nakon današnjeg testa. Poznato je da mu karakteristike Bridgestonea nisu odgovarale. Valjda će odmah znati ima li kakvih pomaka.

[Forza]

10:20 am: During this first morning, it was found that the front tires of the Ferrari were very worn.

Sada se smatra, da voze na softu.

[darky]

Volio bi da mekše traju manje od polovice trke, recimo 1/3 ili 1/4, a tvrđe da mogu trajat i cjelu trku, ali da su drastično sporije, najmanje sekundu sporije od mekših, tako da se ne isplati vozit na njima jako dugo. To bi bilo zanimljivo.

Zgodna misao, ali onda ne bi smjeli imati i šare na gumama, tako da se nezna tko je kakvu gumu stavio.
Pa nitko neće znati hoćeš li 1 ili 2 ili 3 ili uopće nećeš u box.

[Forza]

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Massa quickest on Pirelli test day one

By Edd Straw Friday, November 19th 2010, 13:04 GMT

Ferrari's Felipe Massa topped the first day of Pirelli tyre testing in Abu Dhabi, the first time that Formula 1 teams have tried the Italian manufacturer's new-for-2011 rubber.

The Brazilian complained throughout the 2010 season that tyre warm-up struggles were to blame for his poor qualifying performances, saying recently that "I'm sure if I fix the big problem I had this year I will be back in the fight." By topping the first test on the new tyres, he got his preparations for next season off to a perfect start.

The Brazilian set a best time of 1m40.170s to displace world champion Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) at the top of the timesheets during the afternoon session. Massa's time was two tenths slower than that of Ferrari tester Jules Bianchi from the recent young driver test and half a second off team-mate Fernando Alonso's qualifying lap for the recent Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

Vettel was only three tenths off Massa and seven tenths ahead of McLaren test driver Gary Paffett, who is driving in place of Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button throughout the tyre test.

Sauber driver Kamui Kobayashi was fourth-fastest ahead of Renault's Robert Kubica, who only completed 39 laps after hitting mechanical trouble, with Rubens Barrichello ending the day sixth fastest for Williams. The vastly experienced Brazilian completed almost 100 laps during the day, spending the morning concentrating on assessing the aerodynamic impact of the new tyres before working on tyre behaviour in the afternoon.

Scottish rising star Paul di Resta, who beat Vettel to the 2006 Formula 3 Euro Series title, ended up sixth-fastest despite not hitting the track until the late afternoon. Force India suffered an exhaust problem in the morning while Adrian Sutil was behind the wheel and spent much of the day rebuilding its car.

Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg was seventh fastest on the first day of a vital test for Mercedes, which struggled with tyre use all year. He outpaced Jaime Alguersuari (Toro Rosso), who was the first driver to take to the track in the morning.

Sutil ended the day 10th fastest, only completing 20 laps, with Virgin's Timo Glock ending the day best of the new teams ahead of Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus).

Williams aspirant Pastor Maldonado continued his week of testing with a second day at HRT. He ended the day under nine tenths off Kovalainen.

Vremena:



Pirelli soft smjesa je označena sa zelenom bojom na rubu felgi a ne na samoj gumi

Pirelli remains undecided over Option markings

[kowalski]

Iznimno uočljivo. Kad bi bar nekome palo na pamet da različite smjese označavaju različitom bojom ovoga velikoga loga na samoj gumi.

[Cuky]

MIslim da je to fotografirano u boksu Mercedesa, jer sam na slikama sa testiranja vidio samo kod njih tu oznaku. A oni su tako imali i cijele prošle sezone, rub felge obojan u tu boju, valjda zbog sponzorstva Petronasa...

[Forza]

James Roberts: Vettel reported that the Pirelli fronts were stronger and the rears weaker which caused the car to slide around more.








ps. tražim bočni profil bolida, da vidim dali imaju iste oznake kao gore, na softu.

[kowalski]

MIslim da je to fotografirano u boksu Mercedesa, jer sam na slikama sa testiranja vidio samo kod njih tu oznaku. A oni su tako imali i cijele prošle sezone, rub felge obojan u tu boju, valjda zbog sponzorstva Petronasa...

Ma ja bi izbacio te crte općenito, bile na gumi il' na felgi. Zašto za razne smjese ne koristiti razne boje natpisa Pirelli. Uz ovu žutu još crvenu, plavu, itd.

[vidc]

neka tvrđe imaju natpis pirelli a mekše neka nemaju nikakav natpis na sebi.pa kad se ove mekše unište nitko neće skontat da su to pirelli gume jer ne piše ništa na njima
zaštite se od loše reklame a opet šou bude dobar

[Kenny]

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Jel to Massa promjenio boju kacige, ili je to slika sa prijašnjih testiranja?

[Igor18]

Pirelli baš "neuredno" izgleda nakon par krugova
Nadam se da bi možda zbog trošenja guma vozaći mogli ići na 2 zaustavljanja

[Forza]

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Jel to Massa promjenio boju kacige, ili je to slika sa prijašnjih testiranja?

Testirao je Schubertov dizajn za 2011

[Kimi the best]

Konstrukcija je propisana pravilima ako se ne varam, tako da normalno da ce liciti na Bridgestonke.
Ja se samo nadam da ce razlika izmedju 4 smjese koje ce na kraju izabrati za koristenje tokom sezone biti medjusobno puno razlicitije, tako da se otvori mogucnost za razne takticke varijante, a ne kao ove sezone gdje su na vecini staza obje vrste guma mogle komotno trajati cijelu trku, a razlika u njihovim performansama je bila (pre)mala.

Volio bi da mekše traju manje od polovice trke, recimo 1/3 ili 1/4, a tvrđe da mogu trajat i cjelu trku, ali da su drastično sporije, najmanje sekundu sporije od mekših, tako da se ne isplati vozit na njima jako dugo. To bi bilo zanimljivo.

...i jos da ukinu pravilo obavezne promjene guma pa neka krenu nadigravanja

Tesko da bi i tad bilo nadigravanja, sa danasnjom tehnologijom i simulatorima koji su ostljivi i na najmanju promenu set-upa, timovi bi vec posle 2-3 trke provalili dobitnu odnosno najbrzu kombinaciju za svaku stazu, tako da bi svi vodeci imali istu taktiku.

To sto kazete je nekada odlicno funkcionisalo, tada ni 30s prednosti deset krugova do kraja ponekad nije bilo dovoljno za pobedu.

[F1NAC]

neka napisu oznaku na gumu za soft s i za tvrde isto tako al da ne bude neko glomazno onako neka bude tipo kao sto su oznake na gumama za automobile

[Forza]

jao momci pa neznam, dali inžinere baš zanima koje boje če bit natpis ili gdje če bit crta ali sigurno, da ima veze sa nama gledateljima

Evo ovo je važnije:

J.Allen:

The rebirth of Pirelli as a tyre supplier began today with the first test in Abu Dhabi.
In total there were 13 drivers on track today, with Force India giving both Adrian Sutil and Paul di Resta a run.
The fastest time was set by Felipe Massa in 1m 40.170, which was a shade faster than he managed in qualifying for last week’s Grand Prix. But of course that does not tell the whole story.

The world champion tests Pirelli tyres (Getty)

First there has been a significant amount of track improvement since last week, with lap times in the Young Guns test around 1.3 seconds faster than at the Grand Prix.

To complicate the picture further, there is the chemical reaction which takes place when one manufacturers’ rubber mixes on the surface with another. This takes some time to work through.

My research from talking to a number of senior engineers this afternoon is that the Pirelli tyres are around two seconds per lap off the pace of the Bridgestones, which bowed out last week. The engineers will get a clearer idea tomorrow in the second and final day. Today was mostly about set up, finding ride heights and camber angles. Tomorrow we may see more performance runs.

Jaime Alguersuari had the honour of turning the first lap for a current F1 car on Pirellis this morning on a hot track surface.
Engineers noted several things straight away. The camber they need to run with these tyres is different and inevitably there will some changes to suspension geometry required in designs for next year’s cars, which is to be expected.

Many reported that the front tyres were more positive in braking and turn in than this year’s Bridgestones which is likely to be good news for drivers like Michael Schumacher and Felipe Massa who struggled with that this year. I imagine both of them are feeling quite relieved tonight, although Schumacher has yet to try them as it was Rosberg’s turn today. Rosberg wasn’t as positive about the tyres as others, telling Autosport that he felt the tyres were “weaker” than the Bridgestones.

But Massa had a very different feeling. “I felt at ease from the start,” said Massa. “And there were no unpleasant surprises.” Massa added that the medium tyre needs work on the long runs, while the soft was quick on the first lap and had quite good durability.

Pirelli have already said that the tyre construction will not change for next year, it is already pretty much locked in. The company plans to do a lot more work on the compounds, however, on stiffness and on working range.The only negative was a rear tyre failure on world champion Sebastian Vettel’s Red Bull car right at the end. Pirelli will be hoping that there is no repeat of that tomorrow.

But the overall view is that they have the construction right and that is the main thing. The tyres are almost ready to go now, which is a fantastic achievement by Pirelli engineers after an absence of almost two decades from the sport. They have a three year contract as sole supplier to F1.
There are some significant aerodynamic effects from the tyres as they are a different shape from the Bridgestones, this will be the focus of a lot of wind tunnel and CFD work over the coming months. The tyres seemed to warm up pretty quickly, which is not surprising given the heat of Abu Dhabi, so we don’t know yet what it will be like in Spain in February. Nor is it clear what the graining will be like on a green track. These things will be discovered when 2011 testing starts in earnest.

The soft tyre was faster than the medium, which engineers found a positive discovery as that wasn’t always the case for Bridgestone – just ask Nico Rosberg about the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. There will be two other tyres in the range of four, which the teams will race with next season.
Interestingly when I spoke to Jenson Button about his reasons for not testing the new tyres this week, he said that the McLaren engineers had advised both him and Lewis Hamilton that it would be a waste of their time as the tyres were expected to change beyond recognition over the winter. That is not the impression I’m getting tonight from the teams. They feel that they have a good handle on the tyre now and that the changes will not be on a major scale.

“Whilst a lot of details remain to be understood, we feel that we have gained an initial understanding of the operational requirements of the two compounds that we have and have highlighted some important areas for investigation and improvement,” said Mercedes boss Ross Brawn. ” We have been lucky to have been able to get exposure to the Pirelli tyres at a track with which we are now very familiar and in conditions that we will not experience again until the final test of the season in Bahrain. Michael watched today’s proceedings with great interest and is
looking forward to experiencing the tyres for himself tomorrow.”

20 november 2010, Yas Marina Circuit

Komentari:

#Pirelli test day 2: #F1 2010 ends with another dry & warm day in #Abudhabi - light n'ly breeze & full on sunshine. Max air 29c, track 41c

@Edd Straw: Running today: Kobayashi, Barrichello, Kubica, Buemi, di Resta, Glock, Alonso, Schuey, Vettel, Trulli, Turvey, Maldonado

@ Renault F1 Team: It’s the R30’s swansong – the last time the car will be driven in anger. There's a busy day ahead learning about the Pirellis with Robert.

@Club Force India F1: 14 laps completed so far for Paul as he completes weight distribution tests on both medium and soft compounds.

Alonso tops Saturday morning of test

[The Chaser]

Jučerašnje Massino vrijeme je još uvijek daleko najbolje.
Kako to da je Ferari tako brz?
Znam da su ovo samo testiranja, ali svejedno...baš super.

P.S. Ovaj Maldonado mi se čini kao potencijalno iznenađenje sljedeće sezone (od novih vozača naravno).
Jednostavno imam takav osjećaj...