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[Cuky]

to što je motor na istom mjestu ne znači baš previše...težište je nešto veće zbog turba i MGU-H koji su dosta visoko, baterije imaju pravilima uvjetovanu poziciju, dok su ih prije momčadi mogle postavljati gdje im odgovara (RB je npr. postavljao svoje baterije oko mjenjača, a sada moraju biti ispod spremnika za gorivo), više hladnjaka (jer osim standardnog hlađenja za motor i mjenjač, sada treba veće hlađenje za jači ERS + još i intercooler)

[zonelsk]

62 kg???pa jbt,kako izgleda muskarac sa (koliko ima Kimi 180cm?) 62kg??

175 cm

Kimi ima 70kg i 175cm..tako guglo kaze. Ali iskreno mislio sam da ima više. My bad. To po meni definitivno objašnjava Ferrarijev stav (ako je tocan) prema promjeni tezine.
Bas zbog ovoga kaj je gore napisano i zbog činjenice da se na bolidima radi vec min godina dana (vecinom je to i duže) i onda se sad ide mijenjat pravilo. I onda se sad ide mijenjat nesto 5 do 12.

Da su i sve ekipe za, ja to nebi dopustio. Imaju dosta pametne inzinjere da to rijese.

Ovo za gorivo sam znao ali me kolega zbunio sa svojim postom la mi nije bilo jasno.

[dmarijon]

Da, razumijem to i pojam balasta. Još uvijek mi (uz svu vašu dobru volju ) jedno nije jasno:
Do ove godine imali su puno lufta za podešavanje balasta. Sada su podigli minimalnu težinu za onoliko koliko su i motori teži (u biti dođe na isto). Kako onda nemaju više manevarskog prostora za balast? Ili možda imaju, ali pušu na hladno.

ovo je čisto "bubanje" pa vjerojatno nije točno: motor+ERS+turbo sa intercoolerom te drugačija krila raspored komponenti i dodataka, restrikcije (ujedno i drugačija težina i njezin omjer) se ne nalaze na jednom mjestu već su "razbacani po bolidu" i dolazi do velikog poremećaja u uravnoteženosti...logikom ispada da je teže dobiti onaj idelan omjer...hmmmm, valjda...sad kad ovo pročitam čini mi se da same ljenčine tamo rade pa im se ne da "eksperimentirati"...

Evo ovako za laike: Veća težina samog bolida bez balasta, da bi se postigao jednak balans kao sa lakšim, zahtijeva i veću količinu balasta. Novi motor i ERS će biti smješteni na istom mjestu kao i prije, a pošto su oni bili lakši za 50 kg, jednaka količina balasta kao i za prošlogodišnje, lakše bolide, nije dovoljna. Recimo da su prošlogodišnji težili 600 kg i imali 40 kg balasta, dobijemo omjer balasta i težine bolida 1:15, a ako se poveća samo težina bolida na 650, a balast ostane 40 kg, omjer se povećava na 1:16,25. S tim da bi im sada trebao i još i manji omjer nego prije jer je sva ta nova masa na jednom mjestu.

Za laike i one druge - recimo samo da se količina balasta proporcionalno podiže s težinom bolida . Ali hvala svejedno na pojašnjenju.
I da, kako je Cuky rekao, inače je kod turbo motora problem što je turbo praktički uvijek gore i podiže težište.
Neki dan je netko spominjao i kers, koji više nije simboličan. Kroz prošlih par godina situacija je bila da se KERS pokvari (najčešće red bull) i vozač zbog toga ne može preticati (webber, je li ), ali se drži do kraja i pokupi bodove. Sad će kvar kersa značiti gubitak utrke.
Makar, uz sve to osobno ne vjerujem u one prognoze da više od polovice bolida neće završiti utrku. Mislim da s današnjim parama i tehmnologijom to ipak biti iznad očekivanja.

[speedy56]

A i kvragu, pa imat će 12 dana testiranja, od kojih 8 u vjerojatno najgorim uvjetima koje ti motori, power uniti mogu imati

EDIT:
13. i 14. svibnja moguća testiranja (test days, to su ona 4 dana na koje momčadi imaju pravo) u Barceloni (utrka je 11.)

Los días 9, 10 y 11 de mayo, el Circuit celebrará el FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO DE ESPAÑA 2014, quinta prueba de la temporada 2014 del Campeonato del Mundo de F1®, y como es habitual será el primer Gran Premio en territorio europeo en un año de importantes cambios técnicos, de motores y de consumo. Como novedad este año, los equipos de F1® no se irán una vez celebrado el Gran Premio, ya que tienen programadas dos jornadas de Formula One Test Days posteriores a la carrera del Circuit: el martes 13 y el miércoles 14 de mayo.

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EDIT #2:
Update pravila za 2014

- The Stewards may now impose a five second time penalty which can be taken before work is carried out on the car in a pit stop

- Team personnel must also wear helmets during qualifying, as well as the race

- Drivers may not stop on the slowing down lap to save fuel for sampling and subsequent analysis; this will not be considered justifiable reason for stopping

- For 2014 only, each team will be allowed six curfew ‘jokers’, previously there were two permitted. This is to allow more flexibility for working on the new engines and cars

- The weight of the car, without fuel, must not be less than 691kg at all times during the Event. The weight limit has increased by 1kg to take into account the difference in weight between the tyres in 2013 and 2014.

Za 2015.

- To be considered as a constructor, teams will now not need to design and manufacture suspension and brake ducts

- The car minimum weight has been increased by 10kg, to 701kg, for 2015

- All tyre heating devices will be prohibited in 2015

- For safety reasons, the front part of the chassis will not be able to climb too steeply rearward of the front of the chassis.

izvor

Ovih 701kg mi je već previše za bolid F1, a i zamislite situaciju u kojoj bi bolidi iz 2014. bili brži od ovih iz 2015.

[Cuky]

Ipak nam ostaju dupli bodovi...uz to, došlo je do nekoliko dopuna pravilnika za ovu sezonu:

Geneva team summit tweaks rules, keeps double points

An extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council (WMSC) took place today in Geneva, Switzerland, one day after a meeting of the F1 strategy group where teams discussed how the sport should move forward.

Jean Todt reaffirmed to members of the WMSC the FIA’s intention to assure a healthy, affordable and spectacular FIA Formula One World Championship for the long-term future. The day before, the meeting between teams and attended by Bernie Ecclestone resulted in agreement that cost reduction and cost control regulations will be presented to the WMSC in June 2014 for introduction in January 2015.

Much to the disappointment of many, the proposed double points allocation for the final race of the season has not been thoroughly discussed and will not be scrapped. This means that, for the sole purpose of keeping the championship alive as long as possible, double points can be scored at the final event, whereas a reliability problem will become a very troubling issue for any driver fighting for the championship at the end of the season.

The WMSC meeting resulting in a number of amendments to the 2014 Sporting and Technical Regulations, albeit they are still subject to ratification by the F1 Commission and teams.

- The Stewards may now impose a five second time penalty which can be taken before work is carried out on the car in a pit stop
- Team personnel must also wear helmets during qualifying, as well as the race
- Drivers may not stop on the slowing down lap to save fuel for sampling and subsequent analysis; this will not be considered justifiable reason for stopping
- For 2014 only, each team will be allowed six curfew ‘jokers’, previously there were two permitted. This is to allow more flexibility for working on the new engines and cars
- The weight of the car, without fuel, must not be less than 691kg at all times during the Event. The weight limit has increased by 1kg to take into account the difference in weight between the tyres in 2013 and 2014.

IZVOR


A FIA planira i dodatne izmjene pravilnika za 2015:

FIA plans further regulation tweaks for 2015

At today's WMSC meeting at Geneva, Switzerland, along with amendments to the 2014 regulations, a number of intentions were agreed beyond the coming Formula One season, including yet another tweak to the nose cone design regulations.

Even though the proposals are still subject to agreement of the F1 Commission, the most notable change includes the possibility for teams to take a supplier for suspension elements and brake ducts. The current regulations require each competing constructor to manufacture and design these elements by themselves. Only drivetrain elements can currently be bought from other suppliers.

The move comes as a first step to maintain constructor interest in Formula One at a moment where cost are dwindling out of control.

A few changes to the technical regulations were also agreed, including another increase of the minimum weight limit, up from 691kg in 2014 to 701kg the next year. The change indicates the weight increase for the new drive trains was considerably underestimated at the introduction of the 1.6l V6 engine regulations. Only yesterday, Force India technical director Andrew Green indicated that the new VJM07 was a little overweight although he was hopeful this could be resolved during the course of the season.

Another thing that the WMSC realised was not properly set out in the rules are the nose cone regulations, which more and more appear to have produced some very intricate designs that may not be all too pleasing for the eye. Under the guise of safety, a new regulation tweak must now make sure that steps in the nose are history by specifying a limit in the slope of the upper section of the nose. However subtle, this change will prevent teams from designing extreme monocoques at the maximum allowed height, attached with a nosecone that steeply slopes down to meet the nose height and size regulations.

Finally, and far from new is the intention to completely ban tyre heating devices as of 2015. Electrical blankets are currently the only allowed means to heat tyres before fitting them to cars, but their use has somewhat dwindled out of control as teams currently have a host of tyres simultaneously heated in the back of the garage during the entire race weekends. Banning them will make it trickier for drivers coming out of the pits while simplifying pit work and reducing transportation cost. Every little bit helps...

IZVOR

[dmarijon]

Ostaju dupli bodovi. Ja jednostavno ne mogu vjerovati ... nestvarno.

[McLewis]

Ma fuj....

[King iCool]

hahahahah, koji mulci...Znači zadnja utrka je zapravo duplo vrijednija od ostalih...katastrofa!

[speedy56]

Ja mislim da još uvijek ima vremena da se i to promijeni, gdje je 11. mjesec,
Ako se mogu mijenjati gume, onda se bome može i ovo!

[ivancina]

Valjda ovisi di ce limenka pica biti u tom trenutku

[Barry]

Jon Noble ‏@NobleF1
@MercedesAMGF1 and @ToroRossoSpy have completed filming days with their 2014 cars. I wonder if they can email me the YouTube links...

[speedy56]

Cosworth je predstavio V6 motor za F1

Cosworth has revealed its 2014 Formula 1 power unit although it will not be used this season.

The English company started work on a 2014 engine as long ago as 2010, when the regulations stipulated an I4 layout at the behest of Volkswagen. But when the German company decided against a Formula 1 entry in June 2011 the rules were switched to a V6 layout. Cosworth decided around this time that without a backer for the V6 that it could not offer it as a customer engine.

According to sources in Cosworth speaking with Racecar Engineering founder Ian Bamsey, now editor of Race Engine Technology magazine, development on both the I4 and V6 has continued as the former is being worked on for an undisclosed high performance road car project and the latter so that when it gains the required support it is ready to re-enter Formula 1. Honda, Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault are building 2014 engines, whilst the PURE project faltered early on.

[F1NAC]

zvuk v6 na stazi !!

[Cuky]

ali to opet nije na maksimumu...na tim promotivnim snimanjima se nikad ne vozi do kraja jer automobili sa kamerama ne stignu pratiti

[dmarijon]

Cosworth radi motor.. za nikoga? Ja bi rekao da je ovo samo školjka, oklop bez ičega

[Cuky]

jesi pročitao tekst? rade na motoru, a ako bude kakve financijske potpore onda će ga i ponuditi momčadima

[Alonso-champ]

[dmarijon]

jesi pročitao tekst? rade na motoru, a ako bude kakve financijske potpore onda će ga i ponuditi momčadima

Da, ali čisto sumnjam da je to neki "izgrađeni" motor u kojeg je puno uloženo (čim nemaju partnera). Niti znaju oće li ikada imati.

[Slash]

SV: No it does not mean that. If you drive like last year you won’t see the chequered flag. That much is fact. Racing will change. Full throttle looks like a thing of the past.

Žalosno. Ovo će bit ko one nagradne igre ko najmanje potroši goriva dobi auto.
Poanta F1 bi trebala bit BRZINA a ne ŠTEDLJIVOST!

[Cuky]

poanta tehnologije je u cijelom svijetu bila što brže, jače, moćnije, bučnije...ali danas su neka druga vremena kad se zabrijava na neke stakleničke plinove i slično jer to kao utječe na vremenske prilike bla,bla...pa bolje i štedljiva F1 nego ključ u bravu

[Dero]

Mislim da ste krivo razumjeli što je SV htio reci. Ovaj njegov komentar bio je upucen na količinu torquea ( okretnog momenta ) koju bolidi mogu proizvesti i kako moraju oprezno dozirati ako žele zadržati stražnji kraj pri izlascima iz zavoja.
Nisam siguran za točne brojeve ali mislim da ce ovogodišnji turbači proizvoditi i duplo više torque nego V8 ( do 600nm naspram 300nm ili tako nesto )

[dmarijon]

A ja se nadam da si u pravu i da je na to mislio . Da, okretni moment će potpuno promijeniti stil vožnje, u ovom smislu. Može se čak primjetiti u kratkim snimcima Raikonnena jučer, kako je pipkao gas u zavoju i izlascima. S druge strane, sjetim se kako su pred kraj prošle godine na sky-u stalno fascinirano ponavljali kako vozači Red bulla na pola zavoja mrtvi hladni daju pun gas a bolid samo kao po tračnicama.
p.s. ja nigdje nisam našao nijedan službeni podatak o okretnom momentu za nove motore. jesam nešto propustio ili se to skriva?

[vidc]

Mislim da ste krivo razumjeli što je SV htio reci. Ovaj njegov komentar bio je upucen na količinu torquea ( okretnog momenta ) koju bolidi mogu proizvesti i kako moraju oprezno dozirati ako žele zadržati stražnji kraj pri izlascima iz zavoja.
Nisam siguran za točne brojeve ali mislim da ce ovogodišnji turbači proizvoditi i duplo više torque nego V8 ( do 600nm naspram 300nm ili tako nesto )

to bi držalo vodu da ne postoji ovaj dio "racing will change"... nije dosta što moraju laganice zbog guma, sad će očigledno morat i zbog potrošnje goriva.

[gringo73]

Ludilo se pojačava: Bernie poslao pismo momčadi u kojem traži da zadnje 3 trke budu duplo bodovane!
LINK na njemačkom

[Igor18]

već sad su napravili cirkus od F1 a s ovim bi ju uništili totalno