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Ma imam neki osjecaj da je sljedeca utrka 1-2 za FerrariF1NAC je napisao/la:treba te prebitFerrari-BiH je napisao/la:Sad ce me svi moji napasti...
Ja se bojim kiksa, ove sezone ga jos nije bilo....strah me da ne dodje sada kada Ferrari izgleda jak... Katastrofa odluka ... došao je i taj za*eb , prosuli smo bodove al idemo dalje ..
, vidjeli su na Massinom bolidu da gume više ne drže ako ništa drugo mogli su pokrivati bar Vettela, ovako ga je prešao Vettel i malo je falilo da izgubi poziciju i od Rosberga i sa svakim novim krugom rasla je mogućnost da se na takvim dotrajalim gumama spuca u zid. 
, Baldeseria su otpusitli zbog pogreške sa Kimijem u Maleziji ovo je po meni mnogo veća pogreška a posljedice ćemo vidjeti na kraju sezone možda ovi bodovi budu falili Alonsu za naslov. A cuj, mozda budi falili ovi bodovi, al ne zaboravi da su i Hamiltona par puta dobro za'ebali u boksu, tko zna koliko bi i on bodova sad imao bez tih kikseva.F2004_the_best_ever je napisao/la:Alonso treba da se zahvali na ovoj "redaljki" svojom box-u.
To kako je sada lako pričati ne stoji
Još jednom vratio nam se Ferrari-jev box u svom "najboljem izdanju", koji idioti, pa kako ništa nisu naučili na primjeru Kimija i njegovog nastupa u Kini.
Koji su oni majmuni na pitwall-u Ferrari-ja
Jedno je zenuti u boksu a drugo je zeznuti zbog neznanja matematike. Jesu li pogrijesili i zadnju trku kad je Alonso trebao lagano osvojiti titulu i oni pozivaju Alonsa da prati Webera. I navijati za FerariNitrous Oxide Systems je napisao/la:A cuj, mozda budi falili ovi bodovi, al ne zaboravi da su i Hamiltona par puta dobro za'ebali u boksu, tko zna koliko bi i on bodova sad imao bez tih kikseva.F2004_the_best_ever je napisao/la:Alonso treba da se zahvali na ovoj "redaljki" svojom box-u.
To kako je sada lako pričati ne stoji
Još jednom vratio nam se Ferrari-jev box u svom "najboljem izdanju", koji idioti, pa kako ništa nisu naučili na primjeru Kimija i njegovog nastupa u Kini.
Koji su oni majmuni na pitwall-u Ferrari-ja
I šta sadNitrous Oxide Systems je napisao/la: A cuj, mozda budi falili ovi bodovi, al ne zaboravi da su i Hamiltona par puta dobro za'ebali u boksu, tko zna koliko bi i on bodova sad imao bez tih kikseva.
, šta ima Ferrari sa tim što je Hamiltona za'ebao njegov box , šta , sad i Ferrari to mora napraviti Alonsu da bi izravnali situaciju sa Hamiltonom. 
Nisam ja to rekao kralju, nego kazem da ne treba zaliti toliko za ovim jer su i drugi imali kikseva kroz sezonuF2004_the_best_ever je napisao/la:I šta sadNitrous Oxide Systems je napisao/la: A cuj, mozda budi falili ovi bodovi, al ne zaboravi da su i Hamiltona par puta dobro za'ebali u boksu, tko zna koliko bi i on bodova sad imao bez tih kikseva.
Ako ćemo o kiksevima Ferrari-jevog box-a to je već krenulo u Barseloni, nisu pokrivali Maldonada, pitanje je koliko je to do boxa a koliko je to zbog ovih "sporaća" to nikad nećemo znati, zatim Monako i sami su priznali-Fry da su mogli još odvesti krugova na super softu i kao šlag na tortu imamo ovo što su priredili Alonsu u Kanadi.Nitrous Oxide Systems je napisao/la: Nisam ja to rekao kralju, nego kazem da ne treba zaliti toliko za ovim jer su i drugi imali kikseva kroz sezonu
Koliko god bila razlika između Alonsa i Masse ipak oni voze isti bolid, takođe morali su imati u vidu i promjene koje je Ferrari donio u Kanadu, ispuh koji ima itekako uticaja na gume, oni nisu imali iskustva sa ovim novim ispuhom, niti su nešto puno simulirali utrku na treninzima, i pored toga oni su odlučili da eksperimentišu sa gumama.Cuky je napisao/la:ja sam očekivao da ga ili krug nakon Hamiltona pozovu ili da idu do kraja....i išlo je ovo drugo...
Kaže netko mogli su po Massi vidjeti. A ja pitam: Što se svim vozačima gume jednako ponašaju? Alonso je svoje gume čuvao, a vjerojatno nije samo boks odlučio da se ne ide u boks. Da je Alonso tražio da se ide išlo bi se...
S obzirom kako je izgledalo na početku utrke, rezultat je razočarenje.
S obzirom kako je izgledalo na početku sezone, rezultat je ok.
Ponavljam, lako je sad govoriti "trebalo je tako" ili "trebalo je onako". Odluka se trebala donijeti tad, oni su donijeli krivu i jbg, život ide dalje.
A ako pogledamo postove od nekolikio desetaka stranica prije u ovoj temi, Ferrari iako ima kantu od bolida ima vozača na 2. mjestu sa samo 2 boda zaostatka. Dali se itko tome nadao na početku? Zato uživajmo dok u Italiji rade na ubrzavanju bolida i očekujmo borbu za naslov do zadnjeg metra.
Sa ovime ću se složiti, makar ove godine su i tu bolji naspram zadnje dvije...ovo im je prvi kiks ove sezone (ono u monaku ne računam jer je Alonso rekao da nitko nije znao koliko će gume trajati pa nisu riskirali)F2004_the_best_ever je napisao/la:Ferrarijev pitwall čine idioti.
- dmarijon dobra procjena i preskocio je obojicu , jest da je kasnije izgubio prvo mjesto al opet 
Fernando Alonso defends Ferrari's Canadian Grand Prix strategy
Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Montreal 2012Fernando Alonso has defended his Ferrari team's decision to not pit for a second time during the Canadian Grand Prix, despite dropping down to fifth
position.
The Spaniard was fighting with McLaren's Lewis Hamilton for victory when the Briton decided to pit again with 18 laps to go, dropping down the order.
Alonso, having stopped just once, stayed out in the lead, but his tyres began to degrade and his pace deteriorated considerably, costing him four places.
The Ferrari driver, however, says his team's decision to try and go for victory was the right one, and he said only the tyre degradation was to blame for missing out.
"I feel good. We tried to win the race," said Alonso, who lost the lead of the championship to Hamilton. "With 18 laps to go Hamilton stopped and we either stayed out and covered [Sebastian] Vettel or we stopped with him and see what happened.
"If we had stopped with Hamilton we would have returned in fourth and then with [Romain] Grosjean's degradation we would have finished fourth in the race and it would have been a huge mistake to stop. But now it seems the mistake was ours and Vettel's, so somebody had to get it wrong when there's a stop with 18 laps to go.
"We made the decision to try to win the race and it didn't work out, not because of the strategy, but because of the tyre degradation. I want that to be very clear because there will be confusion tomorrow, from people who don't understand the race.
"We stopped on the same lap as Grosjean, as he finished second with the same laptimes as Hamilton. So it's not about stopping with Hamilton or deciding not to stop, or stopping once or twice. The problem is that Grosjean did 55 laps with the tyres with a good pace and we did 45. That's the only problem."
Alonso said that despite losing the chance to finish second, the weekend had only been full of positives for him and his team.
"It's all positive. The strategy we tried was positive, the result was positive and, again, the points scored are positive.
"No one is going to win the championship in the seventh race, there's a lot left. But race by race, if you don't score strong points you may start to lose it. So when it comes to points for the championship it's another very good weekend."
And the Ferrari driver claimed his team did not even expect to be fighting for victory this weekend given the nature of the Montreal circuit.
"We know Canada is a McLaren circuit. It has won a lot here and Hamilton has scored most pole positions. When we caught the plane to Canada I don't think anyone thought about winning the race, or maybe about finishing second. We are talking about having settled for third or fourth. We are talking about 12 or 15 points tops. We have 10. Perfect."
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Eleven points for Scuderia Ferrari in the Canadian Grand Prix, thanks to a fifth place for Fernando Alonso and a tenth for Felipe Massa. Fernando was almost always in the hunt for the win and tried to make just one pit stop, on lap 19. But he dropped several places in the closing stages because of high tyre degradation, salvaging fifth place by a whisker. Felipe, who showed he had the pace to match the front runners, paid a very high price for a mistake on lap 6, when he spun at Turn 1, losing a lot of time. In the end, the Brazilian nevertheless managed to finish the race in the points. After this race, Fernando is second in the Drivers’ classification, two points down on the leader, while Felipe is fourteenth; the Scuderia finds itself fourth in the Constructors’ championship.
Stefano Domenicali: “There’s a certain feeling of disappointment this afternoon and there’s no point denying it. It’s the first weekend in which we have not got the most out of what we had, but it’s also down to the fact that the level of expectation was higher thanks to the progress we have made. Let’s not forget that yesterday we were fighting for pole and today, we were in the battle for the win right to the end: in Bahrain, a month and a half ago, not a year ago, we only got one driver into Q3 and we finished the race one minute off the winner. Today, we made two mistakes: we did not cover Vettel when the German stopped the second time and Felipe’s spin in the early stage of the race. All things considered, the first error cost us relatively little, while the second came at a higher price, because Felipe, who nevertheless had another good weekend after the one in Monaco, had the pace to stay with the lead group. Having made this preliminary analysis we need to look at the weekend in terms of the championship. Fernando is only two points off the leader and the F2012 is back to being competitive enough to fight with the best. However it was important to score points on a track that, going into the event, was definitely not one that suited us: knowing we can count on a driver like Fernando, capable of completing a year’s races all in the points is a factor that has its part to play when it comes to thinking about the title race. We must continue to push on the development to close the gap which still separates us from pole position: only when we have done this can we claim to have reached our first objective. Another theme we need to look into further is the tyre degradation, which is proving to be ever more the key to this season.”
Fernando Alonso: “Today we tried to win the race, but the gamble of only making a single stop did not pay off. When Hamilton came back into the pits for his second stop, we chose to try and play our hand: now it’s easy to say that we should have made that choice too, but it would have meant we had tried nothing and we could also have lost position to Vettel. The last laps were very long indeed: the tyres dropped off suddenly and I was too slow to defend myself from those coming up behind. My engineer was telling me to hold them off but there was no way I could do it. The real problem today was the tyre degradation, definitely not the strategy, which at the very most cost us one place, but let’s not forget that it was that very same strategy that allowed to us to get ahead of Vettel at the first stop. The car was competitive practically all race long: it wasn’t the quickest because here the McLaren, as was expected, was very quick, but definitely we have made a step forward in terms of performance. We need to work out how to improve the tyre degradation: it can be affected by very minor factors such as a few degrees more or less in temperature, although here maybe they had also come to the end of their life. It is not a tyre world championship, but every detail must be studied to aim for victory. For the first time this year, we have not just been trying to limit the damage, in that we were actually aiming for the win. It’s a positive sign and now we must confirm it at Valencia and Silverstone. We are definitely returning home with more confidence in our chances, because this was the most significant step forward we have made in terms of car development for a long time.”
Felipe Massa: “I am angry with myself for the mistake at Turn 1. I lost touch with the quickest group and then my tyres were vibrating too much, which meant I had to pit early. Then I tried to extend the next stint of the race as much as possible, even hoping not to stop again. Unfortunately, towards the end, I did have to make a second stop, because they were almost down to the canvas. Maybe bringing forward the final stop could have got me ahead of Kobayashi again, but it would not have changed much after that. I am disappointed, because we showed we were competitive with our main rivals: now we are there, fighting with them, which was not the case just a few races ago. Tenth place definitely does not reflect our potential. Now it is vital we continue to work in this direction: it was a weekend in which we were always fighting for the top places and we have improved in every area and that has to be a confidence boost for the rest of the season.”
Pat Fry: “To finish a race struggling with the tyres always hurts a bit, but for we engineers it’s best to evaluate the situation with a cool head and not with the emotive images from the television in mind. Today, Hamilton was quicker and the fact we were able to pass him was down to the strategy, by trying to do something different. Furthermore, given the behaviour of the tyres at that moment, from a certain point onwards, we decided on going for a single stop to try and at least make it to the podium. We did not manage it, but we tried right to the very end. Maybe we could have shadowed Vettel and come into the pits when he did: that was a mistake which cost us a position, but anyway Fernando would have finished outside the top three. A shame for Felipe, because he showed a good pace: a mistake early on meant he ended up in traffic and the last of the points places is definitely not the result that was within his grasp this afternoon. We leave Montreal convinced we have made a step forward in terms of outright performance, but aware that we did not pick up what was in our reach The F2012 has improved, but it is still not enough and we will have to work a lot on understanding the tyre degradation. We will head for Valencia with the aim of further improving performance and getting the most out of the potential available to us.”
Trebali su ostati još par krugova i staviti supersoftice,to sam odmah pomislio i znao sam da ova strategija neće valjatiCuky je napisao/la:hahaha ja se ne mogu prestat smijat svima vama "pametnima" sada...da ste vi u dobrom stanju sa gumama i da imate šansu pobjedit ako ostanete, što bi napravili??
- dmarijon dostigao je onaj cliff odjednom i gotovo . nazalostKenny je napisao/la:Prvih par krugova Alonso ni nije puno gubio s obzirom koliku je prednost imao, tek je nakon par krugova počeo gubit značajnije, a tad im je bilo prekasno da ide u boks i valjda su se nadali da će ostat 3
true story. u ovakoj zgusnutoj sezoni ovih 8 bodova bi moglo biti fatalnoChuck Norris je napisao/la:Trebali su ostati još par krugova i staviti supersoftice,to sam odmah pomislio i znao sam da ova strategija neće valjatiCuky je napisao/la:hahaha ja se ne mogu prestat smijat svima vama "pametnima" sada...da ste vi u dobrom stanju sa gumama i da imate šansu pobjedit ako ostanete, što bi napravili??
Veliki minus,8 velikih bodova prosuli
Jasno mi je to, samo kažem da nije Alonso odma gubio puno vremena nakon Hamiltonovog odlaska u boksF1NAC je napisao/la:dostigao je onaj cliff odjednom i gotovo . nazalostKenny je napisao/la:Prvih par krugova Alonso ni nije puno gubio s obzirom koliku je prednost imao, tek je nakon par krugova počeo gubit značajnije, a tad im je bilo prekasno da ide u boks i valjda su se nadali da će ostat 3
- dmarijon Samo naprijed !We must continue like this: more updates will arrive in Valencia and then again in Silverstone. The key to the season is to continue to push on the development of the car and, at the same time, understand how best to manage tyre behaviour.