Fernando Alonso [#14]

[F2004_the_best_ever]

Kad smo kod ove slike Kimi-Alonso-Schumacher, Kimi i Schumacher su osvajali titule kao Ferrari-jevi vozači a Alonso nije to (još) uspio uradit, nadam se da će i on postati svjetski prvak sa Ferrari-jem. Da li će biti svjetski prvak zavisi od Ferrarija jer Alonso svoj dio posla odlično radi.

Što se tiče tog rekorda po broju utrka Alonsa u bodovima, ja a misilim i kolega @Chuck Norris smo spremni sada da potpišemo da Alonso ne završi sljedeću utrku ali da na kraju sezone bude prvak.

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Start Alonsa:

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[Chuck Norris]

Tako je kolega f2004.

Evo jedan citat Jergovića o usporedbi Alonsa i Hamiltona

Razlika, dakle, između Alonsa i Hamiltona? Da, reći ćete, Alonso je ultimativni oportunistički stroj. On i jest najbolji, najkompletniji vozač danas na globusu zato jer će u tisućinki sekunde iskalkulirati što mu se najviše isplati u momentu poput ovog Hamiltonovog. Naravno da nema šanse da bi se njemu desila takva glupost.
Na kraju ove sezone, kad nama bude hladno a vozačima vruće u Interlagosu, nakon ˝konzistentnog i pametnog skupljanja bodova u većini utrka sezone˝, tada o prvaku neće odlučiti samo bodovi koje je Hamilton prkosno bacio Maldonadu u nos. Ne, odlučit će još i više bodovi koje u Sveti Lovrijenac dva tjedna ranije nije bacio Fernando Alonso, nakon što je uvidio da su mu čudne Pirelijeve gume najednom postale drvene
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Utrke su utrke. Formula 1 nije šah. Lewis Hamilton je najtalentiraniji vozač na svijetu (za razliku od najkompletnijeg…) upravo zato jer u 99 od 100 slučajeva njegovi refleksi, njegov killer-instinkt, njegova snaga i njegova želja da uvijek bude brži i bolji od drugih, sve to spojeno u cjelinu donosi ono zbog čega je toliko dobar
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Sve ovo govorim iz vlastitog iskustva. Mnogi od vas tražite od mene da pišem više o svojim danima u Formuli 1, u poslovima s Berniejem Ecclestoneom. Doći će i to. Za sada samo ovo: da sam uvijek, osobito s Ecclestoneom ali i ranije, slijedio samo logiku i bio Alonso, danas sigurno ne bih bio u poziciji u kojoj jesam. A volim poziciju u kojoj jesam. Svako toliko jednostavno morate probati neku ludost, ne dozvoliti nikome, pa niti nekom Maldonadu, da vas prijeđe, morate odustati od skupljanja bodova za finalnu krunu tamo negdje naprijed u budućnosti, morate slušati samo sebe.

Ovako viđenje stvari uopće nije točno.Predstavlja Alonsa kao nekog ziheraša koji kruži stazom i kalkulira.Je li on gledao utrku u Valenciji?Je li pogledao Alonsova pretjecanja Webbera,Grosjeana?Je li to ziheraštvo?Je li Alonso propuštao u Kanadi brže vozaće ili je to možda do staze?Uspoređuje branjenje pozicije u Kanadi i u Valenciji?
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Alonso nije samo najkompletniji vozač kako ga neki žele prikazati već i najbrži

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Krivo si iščitao frende . Da, Alonso je briljantan vozač i napada i to sve, ali u situacijama u kojima Hamilton razmišlja samo o tome kako da bude bolji od suparnika, Alonso razmišlja o onom krajnjem cilju, naslovu prvaka. I zato je bolji vozač. Vi Alonsovci ste stvarno čudni niste zadovoljni ni kad vam se veli da je čovjek najbolji na svijetu .

[Vuksa_KC]

Ma Jergović se u tom svom FOM periodu pretvoril u zastupnika otočkih medija na našim prostorima. Alonso i Hamilton se mogu eventualno izmjenjivati kaj se tiče epiteta najbržeg, ali trenutno je Alonso najbrži.
Jergović bude Hamiltona uvijek gural s tim 'najtalentiraniji', a iza tog 'talenta' može se lako prikriti razočarenje da stvari trenutno i nisu baš blistave i nema baš puno 'naj' epiteta. Alonso mu je pak, očito trn u oku. Kako god Alonso ili Vettel prašili, njegov Hammy bude uvijek najtalentiraniji.

[Chuck Norris]

Krivo si iščitao frende . Da, Alonso je briljantan vozač i napada i to sve, ali u situacijama u kojima Hamilton razmišlja samo o tome kako da bude bolji od suparnika, Alonso razmišlja o onom krajnjem cilju, naslovu prvaka. I zato je bolji vozač. Vi Alonsovci ste stvarno čudni niste zadovoljni ni kad vam se veli da je čovjek najbolji na svijetu .

Ne nisam zadovoljan,radije bi da čovjek kaže Hamilton je najbolji i da argumente
Smeta mi teza Alonso je najkompletniji vozač.Evo npr ovaj citat

Lewis Hamilton je najtalentiraniji vozač na svijetu (za razliku od najkompletnijeg…) upravo zato jer u 99 od 100 slučajeva njegovi refleksi, njegov killer-instinkt, njegova snaga i njegova želja da uvijek bude brži i bolji od drugih

Zar sve ovo što je nabrojao nema i Alonso?

I kao što sam prije pisao kao velikom obožavatelju lika i djela Ayrtona Senne smetaju me usporedbe s Hamiltonom koje Jergović konstantno provlači i stvara mišljenje nekim mlađim naraštajima koji nisu bili privilegirani da budu Sennini suvremenici.
Ja kao prvenstveno Sennin navijač više vidim u Alonsu sličnost sa Sennom nego u Hamiltonu,mada su mi te usporedbe glupe,svaki vozač je priča za sebe

[One and only]

Krivo si iščitao frende . Da, Alonso je briljantan vozač i napada i to sve, ali u situacijama u kojima Hamilton razmišlja samo o tome kako da bude bolji od suparnika, Alonso razmišlja o onom krajnjem cilju, naslovu prvaka. I zato je bolji vozač. Vi Alonsovci ste stvarno čudni niste zadovoljni ni kad vam se veli da je čovjek najbolji na svijetu .

S ovim bi se složio, ali mislim da to ima veze ponajviše s iskustvom. I Hamilton će s vremenom razviti tu vozačku dimenziju (djelimično već jeste).

[Chuck Norris]

“This has been an unforgettable day for me and I can’t find the right words to express my feelings! Winning in my country is an indescribable emotion: I still remember the victory in Barcelona in 2006 and winning today in Valencia with this fantastic team, is amazing, especially when we are going through such a difficult time at the moment in Spain. It’s nice that sport and I’m thinking of the wins for the national football team and Nadal, might be able to give people something to smile about. Stopping on the slowing down lap? I don’t know what happened but it came at the right moment, because I was in front of the grandstands and I was able to celebrate with my fans! Sport always delivers the same lessons in that there are highs and lows and things change quickly. Yesterday we didn’t make it to Q3 and today we have won: it means that we should never give up, right to the chequered flag. It’s a nice present for everyone who has come from far away, maybe even sleeping in their cars and then staying in the grandstands in this torrid heat. At the start, it was not easy to make up places and I tried to delay the braking to the maximum at Turn 4, staying on the outside. Then I started to fight my way up and, after the Safety Car, I began to think a podium could be possible. Then I attacked Grosjean and managed to pass him, although I was worried that I might have sustained some damage when we touched. After two or three corners I realised everything was alright and I relaxed. When I went into the lead after Vettel retired, we were all hoping the tyres would last to the end. I was always talking to my engineer who told me I was running the same pace as those following me: in the end, there was not much left, but unlike Canada, the others were in the same situation. It was emotional being on the podium with Andrea Stella, because he has also worked with Michael and Kimi: he could celebrate in the best way possible a totally unexpected win, given our grid position. Thinking back to yesterday, what happened confirms there is still a lot of work to be done and we have to be honest about this, to ourselves and to our fans. We will do all we can to win this championship, but we still don’t have the quickest car and we must push to reach this objective as quickly as possible.

[Sanel]

Evo jedan citat Jergovića o usporedbi Alonsa i Hamiltona

Razlika, dakle, između Alonsa i Hamiltona? Da, reći ćete, Alonso je ultimativni oportunistički stroj. On i jest najbolji, najkompletniji vozač danas na globusu zato jer će u tisućinki sekunde iskalkulirati što mu se najviše isplati u momentu poput ovog Hamiltonovog. Naravno da nema šanse da bi se njemu desila takva glupost.
Na kraju ove sezone, kad nama bude hladno a vozačima vruće u Interlagosu, nakon ˝konzistentnog i pametnog skupljanja bodova u većini utrka sezone˝, tada o prvaku neće odlučiti samo bodovi koje je Hamilton prkosno bacio Maldonadu u nos. Ne, odlučit će još i više bodovi koje u Sveti Lovrijenac dva tjedna ranije nije bacio Fernando Alonso, nakon što je uvidio da su mu čudne Pirelijeve gume najednom postale drvene
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Utrke su utrke. Formula 1 nije šah. Lewis Hamilton je najtalentiraniji vozač na svijetu (za razliku od najkompletnijeg…) upravo zato jer u 99 od 100 slučajeva njegovi refleksi, njegov killer-instinkt, njegova snaga i njegova želja da uvijek bude brži i bolji od drugih, sve to spojeno u cjelinu donosi ono zbog čega je toliko dobar
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Sve ovo govorim iz vlastitog iskustva. Mnogi od vas tražite od mene da pišem više o svojim danima u Formuli 1, u poslovima s Berniejem Ecclestoneom. Doći će i to. Za sada samo ovo: da sam uvijek, osobito s Ecclestoneom ali i ranije, slijedio samo logiku i bio Alonso, danas sigurno ne bih bio u poziciji u kojoj jesam. A volim poziciju u kojoj jesam. Svako toliko jednostavno morate probati neku ludost, ne dozvoliti nikome, pa niti nekom Maldonadu, da vas prijeđe, morate odustati od skupljanja bodova za finalnu krunu tamo negdje naprijed u budućnosti, morate slušati samo sebe.

A stvarno sam nekada cijenio i poštovao mišljenje Jergovića.
Ali eto, neki dan naletio na njegovu stranicu i šokirao se člncima, nisam mogao vjerovati da netko sa toliko mržnje govori prema Davorinu Štetneru i svemu povezano uz njega. Do jučer je primjerice radio sa Novakom na televiziji gdje je ovaj komentirao utrke dok je Jergović bio u studio i on sepred dva-tri dana nađe govoriti kako su komentatori katastrofalni i nemaju pojma. Pašto Jergoviću to nisi govorio dok si radio sa njim papokazao svoj karakter koji nije ulizivački i koji jepoput Hamiltonovog kao što kažeš? Čovjek je doslovno popljuvao prijenose i sve vezano uz Štetnera. Ja ne znam šta je bilo među njima nit me iskreno zanima, ali biti toliko ljubomoran i negativno nastrojen prema apsolutno svemu i svima vezano uz Štetnera ječinjenica koja dovoljno govori o karakteru Jergovića, karakteru koji izlazi na vidjelo.
Bilo je od davnina jasno da je Jergović navijač Hamiltona i tu doista nema ničeg lošeg ali u svakom navijanju treba biti i realan. Ja sam veliki navijač Hajduka i član Torcide ali nisam ni glup ni nerealan da kažem da Dinamo ne gazi hajduk zadnjih 5-6 godina. Druga je stvar što nikad neću moći voljeti ni navijati ni za ijedan klub koji ima povjest i politiku kao Dinamo, tako ni jergović ne mora nikad voljeti nekoga poput Alonsa, ali biti realan ipak bi trebao.
Ja sam isto tako veliki navijač Alonsa ali brate mili, budimorealni, Hamilton je veličanstveni vozač, on i Alonso su za koplje iznad svih ostalih na gridu ne samoovegodine nego već godinama. Da, ni Kimi, ni Schumacher im odpovratka nisu u istom rangu.
Ali isto tako sam realan pa kažem ako su Hamilton i Alonso za koplje iznad svih ostalih onda je i Alonso za vrh oštrice iznad Hamiltona. I potpuno je irelevantna stvar tko je talentiraniji, da se takogleda Kranjčar bi danas igrao u barceloni, a rapaić imao spomenik ispred santiago bernabeua, bitno je samo tko je bolji.
Alonso još tamo od 2004. vozi maestralno i u više od 150 utrkamogu se na prste jedne ruke nabrojati one gdje je zakazao. To je najkonstantniji vozač, možda čak i u povjesti ovog sporta, to je vozač koji kad zagusti i treba ukoliko mu se pokaže i najmanja moguća prilika proći će apsolutno svakoga na stazi (što je između ostalog pokazao i na zadnjoj utrci), on je jedini na gridukoji će u 99% slučajeva izvući iz bolida više nego što je to moguće, čovjek koji će voziti na granici i preticati ili biti pretičen sa kranjom agresijom puštajući protivniku točno onoliko koliko treba da bude fer i korektno i ni mrvicu više štokod mnogih drugih nije slučaj. Netko je u ovom postu postavioodličan video Alonsovog starta u valenciji, dovoljno je to pogledati i onaj prelazak webbera čini mi se na kraju da seshvati o čemu pričam i da se shvati kakav je alonso kad zapne i kad vidi bilo kakvu nadu i priliku.
I za kraj usporedbe sa Sennom. Meni su općenito usporedbe u sportu sa bilo kojim legendama iz prošlosti potpuno sulude ali kad se već kačite, ako itko na gridu trenutno ima ikakve sličnosti sa sennom onda je to doista hamilton ali samo po karakteru i stilu vožnje, ali po brzini i umijeću utrkivanja samo jedan sa sennom staje u istu rečenicu, alonso.

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Jergovic je dosada od coveka govori da govori. I cisto sumljam da on navija za Hamiltona, Hamilton je njemu samo sredsko prek kojega iznasa svoje stavove.

EDIT: neprimjereno izrazavanje

Radi jergovica sam ja i prestal gledati na nasoj tv prenose f1

[Dani]

Ni ja ne mogu navijati za klub koji je imao politiku kao Hajduk kroz povijest. Jugoslavensku. Ali opet ne znam kako možeš staviti u istu rečenicu Sennu i Alonsa. Kakva brzina i umijeće? Meni je on uz Hamiltona najdraži vozač, ali opet su naporna ta njegova preuveličavanja od strane nekih njegovih navijača.
Jergović očito ima takvu narav, kao recimo Sanader da pljuje po svemu i svakome ako nije po njegovome. Međutim na nama je da to ignoriramo.

[Cuky]

Nazivati Mladena Jergovića kao kolega elder je po meni sve samo ne primjereno. Istina, čovjek ima nekih privatnih razmirica zbog kojih su njegovi tekstovi takvi kakvi jesu, ali mislim da na našim prostorima nema upućenije osobe od njega u zbivanja u i oko F1. Pa valjda čovjek koji je bio uključen u predstavljanje sporta publici zna što se tamo dešava. I zato su mi neki njegovi tekstovi jako zanimljivi, dok se sa drugima ne mogu složiti. I iskreno, volio bih imati priliku upoznati ga osobno te sjest sa njime na kavu pola sata i porazgovarati o F1 pošto mislim da od njega o sportu koji volim mogu štošta naučiti.

Da nebi post bio skroz off topic, da se malo dotaknem i Alonsa.
Uspoređivati ga sa, npr. Sennom je po meni velika glupost. Senna je vozio u totalno drukčije vrijeme. U njegovo vrijeme prvo su bili najmoćniji F1 auti ikada (turbo era), a zatim najsofisticiraniji F1 auti ikada (TC, Launch Control, aktivni ovjes, neograničeni razvoj i testiranja,...) U Alonsovo vrijeme, bolidi su ni tu ni tamo. Niti su tehnološki napredniji od onih sa, nažalost preranog, kraja Sennine karijere niti su jači i teži za voziti od onih sa početka Sennine karijere. Također, u obzir treba uzeti i da su se tada cijenile drukčije osobine kod vozača, dopuštale su se borbe na nož i vozači nisu bili toliko opsjednuti čuvanjem jednog seta guma više od suparnika.

Alonso je naravno majstor, što je nebrojeno puta pokazao. Ali isto tako, prije njega su svoje majstorstvo pokazali i Senna i Schumacher i Hakkinen i Mansell i Fangio....svatko je u svojoj eri imao ono nešto što ostali vozači tadašnjice nisu imali. Imali su bolid koji je bio spreman da pokaže sve njihove kvalitete, a oni su imali hrabrost da pritisnu više nego što bi drugi pokušali i u snovima. Zato i jesu bili najbolji. Hamilton, pa pomalo i Vettel (makar po meni njegovo vrijeme tek dolazi) tekođer pokazuju naznake velikih vozača F1 i po meni nije nikakav, kako neki znaju reći, grijeh spominjati Alonsa, Vettela, Hamiltona, Sennu, Schumachera, Fangia, Mansella, Prosta i ostale velikane u istoj rečenici. Svi su oni imali (ili imaju) uspona i padova, svi su oni bili veliki u svoje vrijeme, a neki su imali i tu privilegiju da se međusobno nađu na stazi, pa i pored nje, i odmjere svoje kvalitete. Izdvojiti najvećeg od njih je nemoguće, F1 je napredovala kroz 60 i kusur godina i nepravedno je prema onima prije uspoređivati ih sa ovima sada i obratno. Statistike mogu malo pomoći, ali ni one nisu skroz točan pokazatelj zbog promjena načina bodovanja i sl.
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How Alonso scored one of his best wins

Not even Fernando Alonso thought he could win in Valencia from 11th on the grid, but a combination of great driving, fine pitwork and a bit of luck helped the Ferrari ace to his 29th GP win, as Adam Cooper explains.

It's no coincidence that Fernando Alonso now leads the world championship as the only man to have scored points in all eight races. Making the most of every opportunity and bringing the car safely home is what will win the 2012 title, and while he may have lost a few points in the closing laps in Montreal, Fernando has usually extracted the maximum from a given weekend.

In Valencia we saw the very best of Alonso, ably backed up by his team with good strategy and efficient pitstops on a day when it was very easy to get it wrong. This was a truly great performance from a man who has produced so many in the past – quick laps, decisive overtaking moves, no mistakes, and all the while protecting the tyres, not really knowing how long they would last and who might be in better shape behind him.


Such a result didn't look likely after qualifying, when Alonso was stuck in 11th and team-mate Felipe Massa in 13th. A visiting Luca di Montezemolo's glum expression said everything.

That performance didn't reflect the car's true potential, and in fact in Q2 he was only 0.218s off Romain Grosjean's top time – and just 0.004s away from 10th place. It was that close.

Alonso has been known for his great starts and first laps this year, and given that he's rarely been on the front row, he's often had a lot of work to do. From 11th he had a free choice of tyres for the start, and he clearly had a chance to go for primes and try for a long first stint and potentially even do a one-stopper. That's what Michael Schumacher immediately behind him did, along with Sergio Perez in 15th and Mark Webber in 19th.

But the team chose to use that free choice in another way, taking advantage of the fact that his failure to get into Q3 had left him with two brand new sets of soft tyres. Rather than run long, the plan was for him to use pace to try and gain positions.

"We were very disappointed by the qualifying yesterday and so was he, that didn't really reflect the performance of the car," said team principal Stefano Domenicali.

"Knowing the fact that here at this track it's very difficult to overtake at the beginning of the race we were saying let's maximise the points. That's why we thought that it was the right thing to start with the soft, because we had new softs, to do some overtaking at the beginning and to try to attack."


Nobody in front of him had new softs, and Fernando made the most of them. By the end of the first lap he was up to eighth, having passed Paul di Resta, Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button.

Fernando admitted it was a bit risky: "I think there were four or five moments in the race that changed our result. Probably the start and the first lap were very aggressive, I nearly touched [someone] in the first corner, and at turn four I think I overtook two cars braking on the outside.

"That, for sure, maybe changed because we had Button… we were fighting in turn one, and then Button was like P14 or something like that. If you finish [the first lap] in his position, maybe the race is more difficult, so we were lucky at that moment."

Alonso then found himself behind Nico Hulkenberg, but with passing so difficult, his priority was to use those new tyres to stretch out a longer first stint than those ahead, and keep the tyres in good shape.

However the Force India suffered a KERS failure, which made Hulkenberg more vulnerable than he might have been, and on lap 12 Fernando took his seventh place.

At this stage he was 22s behind leader Sebastian Vettel, but only 10s off second-placed Romain Grosjean, with four other cars in between himself and the Lotus driver. On lap 13 the pitstop sequence began when Lewis Hamilton pitted, and then on the next lap the three cars immediately in front of the Ferrari – Kamui Kobayashi, Kimi Raikkonen and Pastor Maldonado – all came in.

Sauber had a bad stop with a stuck wheel, and the others were also somewhat tardy.

Meanwhile, with a clear track for two laps after passing Hulkenberg, Fernando banged in some fast times. He came in on lap 14, only one lap after his immediate rivals – and yet he was able to jump all three of them.

The pitlane times told the story – Kobayashi 23.0s, Raikkonen 21.8s, Maldonado 21.3s, Alonso 19.7s, but Fernando also did his part on the track. With another set of new tyres he was again in better shape than others, and soon after the stop he passed both Webber and Bruno Senna, both of whom had yet to pit and were on well-used rubber.

After the stops shook out he was in fifth place, behind only Vettel, Grosjean, Hamilton and di Resta, who was on a one-stop. Obviously Alonso had better tyres, and he dispensed with the Force India just before the Scot made his only stop.

Fernando was in a solid fourth place. This was already a spectacular performance, but Hamilton in third was 6.3s up the road, and unless there was some misfortune ahead it seemed likely to be as far as he would get.

However, helped once more by his superior tyre situation, Alonso began to make inroads into that margin, bringing the gap down from 6.3s to 3.7s in just five laps. And then the safety car came out.

Fernando followed Hamilton and Grosjean into the pits, where McLaren had another disaster as the front jack failed. Lewis's elapsed pitlane time stretched to 31.8s – Fernando was in and out in a superb 20.7s, given that this was a last-second call. He made it out ahead of Lewis with plenty of room to spare.

So now he was lined up for the restart with Vettel and Grosjean right in front of him. What's more he had new set of medium tyres, while the Lotus driver had a used set. A vital edge for the restart...

Indeed when it went green Alonso was 0.1s behind as they crossed the timing line, making it past with a brilliant move on the Frenchman. Unusually for him, Alonso got involved in a little contact.

"We touched in the first two corners," he said. "After we touched each other I felt that the car was not very good. When you have a little contact with someone, for whatever reason, you feel that the car is wrong for the next two corners, because you are so worried that something happened and that maybe you convince yourself that something has happened. But then one lap later the times were OK, and the car was good."

"We saw he had a contact," said Domenicali. "And immediately we checked to see if we had all the data in stable conditions, and he also asked if everything was alright, and he was also really calm. But honestly, that was a great move, and it makes a difference for a lot of things on the strategy."

While Ferrari and Alonso were assessing the potential damage the stakes were raised even further when Vettel pulled off the track, so by the end of the first racing lap, the red car was in the lead. Seb also had new medium tyres, and no one in the Ferrari camp believes there would have been any real chance of beating the German in a fair fight.

The safety car erased Vettel's gap © LAT
Even with the Red Bull gone, it was far from over. Alonso now had 23 laps to go on this set of tyres, and he had Grosjean on his tail, and Hamilton behind him. But the Lotus challenge ended within a few laps when Romain also stopped, so now it was a question of what Hamilton could do.

"Lap by lap we were checking the evolution of the [tyre] degradation," said Domenicali. "And of course, when the safety car basically neutralised the conditions for everyone we were then marking our competitors. When Vettel and Grosjean stopped then we were just marking Hamilton, because that was really our main objective."

Fernando kept a safe gap, but there was always the danger that his tyres would drop off dramatically, and he would be vulnerable. And then there was a distant threat from Webber and Schumacher, going very quickly and making their way well into the top 10 on much fresher tyres than those ahead after their later final stops.

"We were just checking sector time by sector time in order to monitor the situation," added Domenicali. "Of course we were thinking of a possibility of having a drop-off of tyres, and we were just monitoring behind, how was Webber and Michael, because they stopped. But after a certain moment when you go for a certain decision then you have to stick with that. I think that really Fernando managed the tyres in a fantastic way."

So was Fernando worried about the tyres dropping off?

"I was not worried," he countered. "They did. They did, about eight laps from the end. I said to the team, 'the tyres are finished, we need to do something'. They said 'wait one more sector because they are not quicker than you at this moment'. The next sector they were the same as me.

"So they said 'wait one more lap to see how much quicker they are,' and the next lap they were the same time as us. Wait another lap and wait another, and then it was three laps from the end and they were doing the same lap times and we went until the end.

But the tyres were as finished as in Canada, but it was the same for everybody this time."

"It was a different kind of degradation in Canada compared to here," Domenicali explained. "Here it was not really the wear that was going down, it was really the heat of the track that was maybe cooking the tyres. It could have been a different slope of the degradation.

Raikkonen was second, but could not attack Alonso © XPB
"So for sure that experience put some doubt on us when we were thinking about the different strategies. Basically at the end we were really marking what the others were doing. There was no improvement from anyone else, so I think that really it was good to create the gap with Hamilton and to mark him, because for us he was the target at the end of the race."

Indeed Hamilton was in big trouble, and when Raikkonen finally got past the McLaren with a couple of laps to go, his tyres were also past their best and he was no threat to Fernando. But life was far from easy until that point.

"We were of course controlling the pace of Kimi, because Kimi was really good," said Domenicali. "But I believe he had used the tyres a lot in the fight with Hamilton, so then he was not able to attack."

It was a stellar performance, and while the Vettel retirement was a gift – and the disappearance of Grosjean also helped – Alonso had to work hard for this one.

"Today, we had an amazing race, amazing start, some good fights," he said. "I think I remember six or seven overtakes where it was very close, we touched each other. I touched Grosjean in the restart. All of those little moments can go on the wrong side and you finish the race in the wall, or you can be the winner at the end. And today, we had all the good factors with us and the luck and we have to enjoy this.

"Especially yesterday after the qualifying, you never think that you can do a good result or that you can fight for the podium or something like that. When you find yourself third in the race after the safety car, I said: 'hopefully there is the chequered flag now and I enjoy this podium celebration'.

"Two laps later I overtook Grosjean on the restart and you think again 'hopefully the race finishes now'. Then Vettel stopped and it was a very long race until the end and, yeah, I enjoyed so much this moment."

Will he enjoy a few more highs this year? Don't bet against it...

Alonso: Master of the fightback

Fernando Alonso is no stranger to triumph over adversity and Sunday's race in Valencia produced his greatest fightback yet. Michele Merlino unearths some fascinating Fernando stats and looks at all the other key figures from the European GP.

By Michele Merlino
Forix collaborator

Fernando Alonso consolidated his position as one of Formula 1's great comeback kings with his superb victory from 11th on the grid in Sunday's European Grand Prix. The Valencia street circuit provided a thrilling race culiminating in the Spaniard taking his second win of 2012.

It's the second time that Alonso has raced from outside the top ten to achieve glory, and only the 26th time in 866 Formula 1 world championship events that a driver has managed such a feat (and three of those were Indianapolis oval races).
The most recent examples of this were:

• The 2012 European Grand Prix; Alonso wins from eleventh thanks to Vettel's and Grosjean's failures, Hamilton tyres fading, and some bold overtaking moves while moving up the field

• The 2008 Singapore Grand Prix; Alonso wins from 15th, but the race was eventually found to have been manipulated by his team, ordering Nelson Piquet Jr to crash at the right time to favour Fernando's strategy

• The 2006 Hungarian Grand Prix; Jenson Button's takes his maiden F1 win in mixed weather conditions from 13th on the grid

• The 2005 Japanese Grand Prix; Kimi Raikkonen, starts no less than 17th in a weather-reshuffled grid to pass Giancarlo Fisichella at the beginning of the last lap and take the win – Alonso also charged through, famously passing Michael Schumacher at high speed into 130R, to go from 16th on the grid to third

Alonso's European Grand Prix may have ended well, but his qualifying equalled his own record of not having got pole for 31 races. Despite achieving 20 poles in his career, none of them fell between the 2007 Belgian Grand Prix and the 2009 German Grand Prix either. But then, come Sunday he charged back superbly and qualifying 11th was history.

Interestingly, before this year's race, only six drivers had ever scored points at Valencia having started outside the top 10. This year, however, three of the first four finishers started the race eleventh or lower – Alonso, Michael Schumacher and Mark Webber.

Adding to the emotion of Alonso's victory was the fact that he hadn’t won on home soil since the 2006 Spanish Grand Prix. His win puts him 20 points clear of Webber at the top of the championship chase, and it’s his 20th point-scoring finish in a row.

[vidc]

malo je pretjerano nazvati ovu utrku jednom od njegovih najboljih pobjeda... ok, pobjedio je, zaslužio je pobjedu jer je dosad sezonu vozio fantastično, ali kod ove pobjede uvijek stoji to da je vettel odustao dok je vodio,i grosjean dok je bio iza njega i držao priključak. naravno,ne treba osporiti njegovo probijanje do četvrte pozicije, ali po meni nije to to kad se dođe do pobjede uz odustajanje 2 najbliža konkurenta i tako što si do treće pozicije došao zbog greške mehaničara u boksu trećeg konkurenta.
po meni, npr. singapur 2010. je bolja pobjeda

[Vuksa_KC]

Singapur 2008

[Alonso-champ]

Ovako odgovara kralj(Alonso) na pitanje da li se smatra pay-driverom

Paying to drive is different than being paid to drive. No?

[McLarenMercedes]

po meni, npr. singapur 2010. je bolja pobjeda

Ja bih rekao Monca 2007. Najbrzi na FP2, FP3, Q1, Q2, Q3, u Q3 čak nije ni odvezao drugi krug iako je bio teži od Hamiltona za 2 kruga, jer je u prvom krugu napravio nedostižnu prednost. Onda u trci lagana pobeda i najbrži krug. Jedino što nije vodio u svakom krugu, a to je u Singapuru 2010. uradio, ali to je zato što je Raikkonen išao na samo jedno zaustavljanje pa je jedno kratko vreme bio u vođstvu.

[vidc]

po meni, npr. singapur 2010. je bolja pobjeda

Ja bih rekao Monca 2007. Najbrzi na FP2, FP3, Q1, Q2, Q3, u Q3 čak nije ni odvezao drugi krug iako je bio teži od Hamiltona za 2 kruga, jer je u prvom krugu napravio nedostižnu prednost. Onda u trci lagana pobeda i najbrži krug. Jedino što nije vodio u svakom krugu, a to je u Singapuru 2010. uradio, ali to je zato što je Raikkonen išao na samo jedno zaustavljanje pa je jedno kratko vreme bio u vođstvu.

da,i to je bila odlična vožnja...uglavnom, ova pobjeda ne spada među njegove najbolje kao što se sad piše. specijalna za njega jest sigurno, jer je pred domaćom publikom, ali kao pobjeda... imao je on i vožnje s više izazova gdje je pokazao kakva je klasa

[goran007]

malo je pretjerano nazvati ovu utrku jednom od njegovih najboljih pobjeda... ok, pobjedio je, zaslužio je pobjedu jer je dosad sezonu vozio fantastično, ali kod ove pobjede uvijek stoji to da je vettel odustao dok je vodio,i grosjean dok je bio iza njega i držao priključak. naravno,ne treba osporiti njegovo probijanje do četvrte pozicije, ali po meni nije to to kad se dođe do pobjede uz odustajanje 2 najbliža konkurenta i tako što si do treće pozicije došao zbog greške mehaničara u boksu trećeg konkurenta.
po meni, npr. singapur 2010. je bolja pobjeda

možda bi bilo pretjerano reći da je najbolja njegova utrka,ali jedna od najboljih je svakako...u ovoj utrci je pokazao apsolutno sve...od proboja do taktike,od agresivnosti do racionalnosti...i treba svakako naglasiti u bolidu koji nije najbolji na gridu...
koliko sam veliš ne osporavaš mu proboj do četvrtog mjesta...onda naglasi kak se probio kroz gužvu za razliku od npr.Kimijem koji je bio uz njega...Hamiltonovu poziciju je dobio kroz boks al nastavak je pokazao da mu on ne bi mogao parirati...em mu je prije SC-a skidao razmak,a čim se SC maknuo napravio razmak i još sačuvao gume...Grosjean bi sigurno
bio prijetnja toj pobjedi,ali nakon onakvog prolaza pričati o nezasluženosti pozicije koju mu je oduzeo nije korektno...
kaj se tiče Vettela on je ovu utrku bio u drugom svijetu i mislim da mu Alonso ne bi mogao parirati...ali taj podatak meni ne mijenja puno jer bi ovu vožnju ocjenio istom ocjenom i da je Vettel pobjedio,a Fernando zaostao i 20-tak sekundi...
u svakom slučaju usportedba Singapura,utrke koju je kontrolirao s prvog mjesta u bolidu koji je bio puno bliži RB-u nego ovaj u Valenciji meni nije za usporedbu..no,svak ima svoje mišljenje
P.S mnogi proglašavaju za najbolju pobjedu Ayrtona Senne( a jednom od najboljih sigurno)onu iz Brazila 1993.g. kad je pobjedio s bolidom sporijim u kvalama za Prostovim Williamsom gotovo dvije sekunde...ak ćemo ići tvojom logikom ni te pobjede vjerojatno ne bi bilo da nije bilo SC-a ni pogreške Prosta kad je pala kiša

[Cuky]

Fora je u tome da je sam Alonso rekao da mu je ovo jedna od najboljih, ako ne i najbolja pobjeda. Dakle nisu to novinari izmislili.

Što se tiče Vettelove dominacije, ona je više posljedica sporosti Hamiltona nego brzine Vettela. Grosjean je npr. nakon što je pretekao Hamiltona vozio samo desetinku-dvije sporije od njega. Toliku je prednost stvorio jer:
1. Hamilton je bio spor
2. Hamilton i Grosjean su dodatno izgubili vrijeme jer su bili zauzeti svojom borbom

[vidc]

možda bi bilo pretjerano reći da je najbolja njegova utrka,ali jedna od najboljih je svakako...u ovoj utrci je pokazao apsolutno sve...od proboja do taktike,od agresivnosti do racionalnosti...i treba svakako naglasiti u bolidu koji nije najbolji na gridu...
koliko sam veliš ne osporavaš mu proboj do četvrtog mjesta...onda naglasi kak se probio kroz gužvu za razliku od npr.Kimijem koji je bio uz njega...Hamiltonovu poziciju je dobio kroz boks al nastavak je pokazao da mu on ne bi mogao parirati...em mu je prije SC-a skidao razmak,a čim se SC maknuo napravio razmak i još sačuvao gume...Grosjean bi sigurno
bio prijetnja toj pobjedi,ali nakon onakvog prolaza pričati o nezasluženosti pozicije koju mu je oduzeo nije korektno...
kaj se tiče Vettela on je ovu utrku bio u drugom svijetu i mislim da mu Alonso ne bi mogao parirati...ali taj podatak meni ne mijenja puno jer bi ovu vožnju ocjenio istom ocjenom i da je Vettel pobjedio,a Fernando zaostao i 20-tak sekundi...
u svakom slučaju usportedba Singapura,utrke koju je kontrolirao s prvog mjesta u bolidu koji je bio puno bliži RB-u nego ovaj u Valenciji meni nije za usporedbu..no,svak ima svoje mišljenje
P.S mnogi proglašavaju za najbolju pobjedu Ayrtona Senne( a jednom od najboljih sigurno)onu iz Brazila 1993.g. kad je pobjedio s bolidom sporijim u kvalama za Prostovim Williamsom gotovo dvije sekunde...ak ćemo ići tvojom logikom ni te pobjede vjerojatno ne bi bilo da nije bilo SC-a ni pogreške Prosta kad je pala kiša

malo je vozača koji mogu bukvalno cijelu utrku (i to vremenski najdužu) kontrolirati dok im za vratom puše vozač koji rijetko griješi i vozi brži bolid, pa makar bila u pitanju i ulična staza.
fantastično je vozio on u valenciji,bez sumnje, ali po meni ipak ostaje to da je pobjedu ostvario zbog odustajanja vodećeg, koji je bio ipak najbrži tog dana.
pobjede po kiši su druga stvar, samim time što je Prost pogriješio kad je pala kiša je znak da je Senna bio najbolji taj dan jer on nije pogriješio, Prost jest...kvar na bolidu je druga stvar, to je bilo izvan Vettelove kontrole...

[goran007]

1)kažeš da je malo vozača koji to mogu...pa naravno da je...ima ih trenutno nekoliko,a Alonso je definitivno među njima...možda i najbolji al to je već možda u domeni subjektivnosti
2)pobjedu je ostvario zbog svoje iznimne vožnje....naravno da su mu određene(pa i jako bitne) okolnosti išle na ruku,ali s usporedbom s Brazilom 1993.g.sam ti htio pokazati da i u drugim antologijskim pobjedama nekog drugog opet je i sreća uplela svoje prste...reći ćemo okolnosti...istina da je Vettel do tog trenutka bio klasa za sebe i da većina vjeruje da bi lako odnio pobjedu al to već spada u sferu ŠBBKBB,a kad razgovor krene u tom smjeru nikad nije dobro(ipak je prošlo tek nešto više od polovine utrke)...ova sezona nas je naučila da se u zadnjim metrima može doslovno sve promjeniti i to u većini slučajeva nagore...u jednom trenutku si u igri za pobjedu,a već u drugom spašavaš koji bod...
3)već sam rekao da bi Fernandovu vožnju ocjenio istom ocjenom i da je Vettel ostao u utrci i dominirao do kraja...jer ipak je u toj vožnji pokazao apsolutno sve kaj se ima pokazati...agresivan kad treba,racionalan kad treba...uspješni napadi,izbjegavanje bilo kakvih problema prilikom probijanja kroz gužvu,a sve odrađeno iznimno brzo i čisto,prekrasan i uspješan napad za proboj na drugo mjesto...
meni je to ipak više od starta s PP-a i kontrole utrke u Singapuru...no,i to može u rubriku subjektivnosti i nimalo ne prigovaram na takvom viđenju događaja

[F1NAC]

damn , ode prednje krilo . jos je dobro prošao

[F2004_the_best_ever]

damn , ode prednje krilo . jos je dobro prošao

Ako nemaju više novih prednjih krila, u šta čisto sumljam, neka onda uzmu sa Massinog bolida novo prednje krilo.

[Alonso-champ]

Bio je ljut kad izaso iz bolida,nadam se da imaju jos to jedno krilo u rezervi..

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