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dmarijon je napisao/la:A šta će tek od ovih Pirelli guma radit 600 NM? ;)
Ma rekli su iz Pirellija da ce biti puno konezervativniji. A i nakon svega, pogotovo zadnje utrke, sumnjam da ce i pomosliti na drugaciji pristup, mislim da dobro znaju da nece biti potrebe sljedece sezone da pomocu guma stvaraju napetost u utrkama.
However, heavily-degrading tyres will not dominate F1 next year. Hembery said that for "the first year of the new formula, we will be conservative".
Mislim da sljedece godine necemo spominjati gume uopce. Mislim da ce puno vise pozornosti biti oko pouzdanosti bilida, odnosno motora i djelova. Uz to smanjen je i broj motora koji je na raspolaganju ekipama za cijelu sezonu. Kompletno novo sve, prakticki nista se ne prenosi iz ove godine u sljedecu, malo vremena timovima, pogotovo onima koji ce biti u utrci za naslov ove godine, i jako duga sezona sljedece...
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bit ce mi smijesno cut 8 brzina :D
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8? a ja mislio pitat oce imat 5 il 6 :D
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dmarijon je napisao/la:A šta će tek od ovih Pirelli guma radit 600 NM? ;)
budemo vidli druge godine, uglavnom Pirelli misli napraviti test s 2014gumama nakon Brazila
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Pirelli je radio test sa mercedesom sa gumama za 2014. i puno su tvrđe.
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Armanini je napisao/la:8? a ja mislio pitat oce imat 5 il 6 :D
bilo je nekog govora da bi trebalo biti 8 brzina i to fiksno podešeni omjeri kroz cijelu sezonu, tj. isti setup mjenjača i u Monzi i u Monacu. Sad neznam dali je tako i uvedeno, neda mi se sad čitati pravilnik :D
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fiksno veliš pa to je još jedna lakrdija u nizu
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pa zapravo si na istome, samo je opet kao ušteda...ako se mjenjač dobro podesi u Monaku bi se npr. koristilo prvih 5 ili 6 brzina, na većini staza 7, a u Monzi i možda još Silverstoneu ili Kanadi svih 8
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ako to uvedu onda je definitivno više ne pratim taj sport
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kako cuky moze bit dobro namjesten mjenjac da bude dobar za monaco i za silver?

to je valjda neki prijedlog bio (sto se tice troskova ne igra nikakvu ulogu), al tesko da je to moguce..
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Potvrdjeno. Pireli ubacuje kevlar, a od Madjarske gume iz 2012 http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... m=facebook
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sljedece godine bismo uz poruke save tyres mogli slusat i save fuel. Od 2014 su motori homologirani pa sve do 2020. Dozvoljene su promjene samo vezano za pouzdanost motora.
Ferrari has admitted to concerns over the fuel flow limit which will be introduced when the sport switches from V8 engines to turbocharged V6 powerplants in 2014.

Last week, governing body the FIA confirmed that cars will not be permitted to use more than 100kg during a Grand Prix next season, around 40-50kg less than the figures currently used, with a flow meter being fitted to the fuel tanks of all cars.

And as the transition approaches, Ferrari reckons there is a danger of fuel saving becoming too much of a priority, thus reducing the quality of on-track action.

"Ferrari feels this could be a danger," explained Luca Marmorini, the Maranello-based outfit's Head of Engines. "We like Formula 1 to consider efficiency, but we don’t like Formula 1 to be a sport where you are cruising for 50 percent of the laps."

Marmorini added that reliability will be of even greater focus for the teams next year, with the season-long engine allocation per driver being cut from eight units to five:

"Whoever can handle the engine in a good way and be reliable will have good results. .But it will be difficult to run the season without issues; we are talking about four to five thousand kilometres per unit which is almost double what we are doing right now."

Manufacturers are restricted to one homologated engine for the 2014-2020 period, with the FIA only allowing changes "for installation, reliability or cost saving reasons."
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sljedece godine bismo uz poruke save tyres mogli slusat i save fuel
? pa slusamo to vec zadnje 3 godine :)


katastrofa i to nedovoljno tankanje bolida i ne propisana minimalna kolicina goriva mi je uz rang drsa i ovog sranja s gumama..

izgleda da ce bit jos gore..
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Cuky je napisao/la:pa zapravo si na istome, samo je opet kao ušteda...ako se mjenjač dobro podesi u Monaku bi se npr. koristilo prvih 5 ili 6 brzina, na većini staza 7, a u Monzi i možda još Silverstoneu ili Kanadi svih 8
po mom misljenu to nebi bilo nikako dobro. Bolidi se razvijaju tokom sezone i tesko je predvijeti timovima prije prve utrke kakav ce bilid u 8-9 mj.

Kad bi bilo 8 brzina i uz najavljeni moment od 600 uz mogucnost podesavanja za svaku utrku, mislim da bi vidjeli puno vise razlika na bilidima u pojedinim segmentima staze (brzi / spori zavoji, brzina na pravcu) i puno puno vise pretjecanja bez DRSa
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Barry je napisao/la:Potvrdjeno. Pireli ubacuje kevlar, a od Madjarske gume iz 2012 http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... m=facebook
eto pirelli poklanja prvenstvo red bullu :roll:
Formula 1 race drivers will be allowed to take part in the forthcoming young driver test as an emergency measure to help Pirelli overcome its tyre difficulties.

On the back of the multiple blow-outs at the British Grand Prix, the FIA announced on Monday that it was seeking approval for an immediate change to F1's testing regulations.

It will ask the World Motor Sport Council to change the rules that forbid race drivers testing during the season. This is likely to be a formality.

That will open the way for teams to call upon their race drivers at the July 17-19 test - although it has been stipulated that regular drivers will only be allowed to work on tyre development and cannot assess car improvements.

In light of the changes to the format of the test, the FIA has suggested that it could now be extended by a day, which would allow teams to both run their regular drivers and assess young talent.

Although the Silverstone test is now no longer the official young driver test, Mercedes has agreed not to run there as part of its punishment for running a 2013 car at Barcelona earlier this year when it tried to help Pirelli with its delamination issues.
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ma glupost. test će trajati dan duže i vozači će moći da testiraju samo gume dok će mladi vozai testirati samo nove djelove. A FIA će dovesti delegate kako bi nadgledali da netko ne radi nešto što ne smije. opet komedija.
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Detaljan izvještaj od Pirellija
Pirelli explains tyre issues and proposes solutions


Following the tyre issues apparent at the British Grand Prix at Silverstone, Pirelli have issued a statement, saying that all the failures were caused by a mixture of factors. The company is however adamant that its tyres are absolutely safe when used correctly.

Pirelli states that "a series of different causes led to the failures, including rear tyres mounted the wrong way around, low tyre pressures, extreme camber angles and high kerbs".

The company repeats it is absolutely essential to have "access to real time operating data, hence a change of rules has been requested.

Reasons for the tyre failures
After exhaustive analysis of the tyres used at Silverstone, Pirelli has concluded that the causes of the failures were principally down to a combination of the following factors:

1) Rear tyres that were mounted the wrong way round: in other words, the right hand tyre being placed where the left hand one should be and vice versa, on the cars that suffered failures. The tyres supplied this year have an asymmetric structure, which means that they are not designed to be interchangeable. The sidewalls are designed in such a way to deal with specific loads on the internal and external sides of the tyre. So swapping the tyres round has an effect on how they work in certain conditions. In particular, the external part is designed to cope with the very high loads that are generated while cornering at a circuit as demanding as Silverstone, with its rapid left-hand bends and some kerbs that are particularly aggressive.

2) The use of tyre pressures that were excessively low or in any case lower than those indicated by Pirelli. Under-inflating the tyres means that the tyre is subjected to more stressful working conditions.

3) The use of extreme camber angles.

4) Kerbing that was particularly aggressive on fast corners, such as that on turn four at Silverstone, which was the scene of most of the failures. Consequently it was the left-rear tyres that were affected.

Pirelli states that the only problems that had come to light before Silverstone were to do with delamination, which was a completely different phenomenon. To stop these delaminations Pirelli found a solution by suggesting that the teams use the tyres that were tried out in Canada from Silverstone onwards. When this proposal was not accepted, Pirelli found another solution through laboratory testing, with a different bonding process to attach the tread to the carcass. So the problem of delamination has nothing at all to do with what was seen in Great Britain.

Following the conclusions of this analysis, Pirelli underlines that:

1) Mounting the tyres the wrong way round is a practice that was nonetheless underestimated by everybody: above all Pirelli, which did not forbid this.

2) In the same way, under-inflation of the tyres and extreme camber settings, over which Pirelli has no control, are choices that can be dangerous under certain circumstances. Because of this, Pirelli has asked the FIA for these parameters will be a topic of accurate and future examinations. Pirelli has also asked for compliance with these rules to be checked by a dedicated delegate.

3) Pirelli would also like to underline that the 2013 tyre range does not compromise driver safety in any way if used in the correct manner, and that it meets all the safety standards requested by the FIA.

The logical conclusion is that it is essential for tyres with the performance and technical sophistication of the 2013 range to be regulated and carefully controlled by Pirelli itself. In order to ensure the optimal functioning of the tyres, the Italian firm would need real-time data from the teams regarding fundamental parameters such as pressure, temperature and camber angles. While waiting for new regulations that would permit Pirelli access to real-time data from teams such as pressure, temperature and camber angles, "vital for the development and management of these state-of-the-art tyres", the following measures are proposed for the forthcoming grands prix, in agreement with the FIA, FOM, the teams and the drivers:

Kevlar belt tyres to be used at German GP
The use of the evolution of the current tyre that was tested in Canada (and proved to be completely reliable) for the German Grand Prix this weekend. This represents the best match for the technical characteristics of the Nurburgring circuit. In particular, the rear tyres that will be used at the German Grand Prix, which takes place on July 7, have a Kevlar construction that replaces the current steel structure and the re-introduction of the 2012 belt, to ensure maximum stability and roadholding. Given that these tyres are asymmetric as well, it will be strictly forbidden to swap them round. The front tyres, by contrast, will remain unaltered.

New range of tyres as of Hungarian GP
From the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards, the introduction of a new range of tyres. The new tyres will have a symmetrical structure, designed to guarantee maximum safety even without access to tyre data – which however is essential for the optimal function of the more sophisticated 2013 tyres. The tyres that will be used for the Hungarian Grand Prix onwards will combine the characteristics of the 2012 tyres with the performance of the 2013 compounds. Essentially, the new tyres will have a structure, construction and belt identical to that of 2012, which ensured maximum performance and safety. The compounds will be the same as those used throughout 2013, which guaranteed faster lap times and a wider working range. This new specification, as agreed with the FIA, will be tested on-track together with the teams and their 2013 cars at Silverstone from 17-19 July in a session with the race drivers during the young driver test. These tests will contribute to the definitive development of the new range of tyres, giving teams the opportunity to carry out the appropriate set-up work on their cars.

Paul Hembery, Pirelli’s motorsport director, said: “What happened at Silverstone was completely unexpected and it was the first time that anything like this has ever occurred in more than a century of Pirelli in motorsport. These incidents, which have upset us greatly, have stressed the urgency of the changes that we already suggested – which will be introduced during for free practice in Germany on Friday. We would like to acknowledge the willingness of the FIA, FOM teams, and drivers to act quickly to find an immediate solution to the problem. In particular, the adoption of winter tests, arranged with the FIA, that are more suitable for tyre development and the possibility of carrying out in-season testing will contribute to the realisation of tyres with increasingly improved standards of safety and performance. I’d like to re-emphasise the fact that the 2013 range of tyres, used in the correct way, is completely safe. What happened at Silverstone though has led us to ask for full access to real time tyre data to ensure the correct usage and development of tyres that have the sophistication we were asked to provide and extremely high performance that has lowered lap times by more than two seconds on average. While we wait for a change in the rules, we will introduce tyres that are easier to manage.”
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Cuky je napisao/la:Detaljan izvještaj od Pirellija
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Zanimljivo pod 1,2 i 3...izgleda da momčadi baš i ne poštuju preporuke Pirellija
Skraćena verzija objašnjenja:
A series of different causes led to the tyre failures at Silverstone:

- We didn’t know the cars would be driving that fast.
- Uneven wear caused by too much turning right.
- The teams repeatedly put new wheels onto the cars too quickly.
- Excessive braking, accelerating and swerving about.
- Extremely sharp leaves on track.
- Failure to proceed to approved Pirelli stockist upon kerbing tyres
- We were asked to make shit tyres. Stop fucking complaining when the tyres are indeed shit.
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hehe :)


ova objasnjenja pirelija.. neznam sto bi rekao..

extremni camberi? za tlak zraka je brundle namirisao odmah nakon 2. puknute gume..
al jbmu, promjene u setupu (do dopustenih granica naravno) ne smiju utjecat na izdrzljivost gume.. nikako..
Rear tyres that were mounted the wrong way round
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pa zar im nije oznacena svaka guma?

ma.. lakrdija..


Zanimljivo pod 1,2 i 3...izgleda da momčadi baš i ne poštuju preporuke Pirellija
zato jer nisu jos do sad dozivjeli da im gumar kaze kako ce nastelat bolid (a naravno da nisu rekli i upzorili nikoga oko tlaka guma ili cambera, to im je sad doslo na pamet)
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There is a rumour on the internet about Pirelli: Spanish newspaper Marca reports that Pirelli used a new tire in Silverstone, different compound and included a kevlar belt and steel belt. The report is based on mechanics from McLaren, it says they found kevlar pieces in the exploded tire of Perez. The teams and FIA were not informerd by Pirelli about the new tire.
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There is a rumour on the internet about Pirelli: Spanish newspaper Marca reports that Pirelli used a new tire in Silverstone, different compound and included a kevlar belt and steel belt. The report is based on mechanics from McLaren, it says they found kevlar pieces in the exploded tire of Perez. The teams and FIA were not informerd by Pirelli about the new tire.
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Ako su krivci momčadi, bolidi, staza i tko već sve ne, osim Pirellija, onda ne vidim potrebu da se rade testiranja i promjene u konstrukciji guma - jer gume su OK. :roll:
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There is a rumour on the internet about Pirelli: Spanish newspaper Marca reports that Pirelli used a new tire in Silverstone, different compound and included a kevlar belt and steel belt. The report is based on mechanics from McLaren, it says they found kevlar pieces in the exploded tire of Perez. The teams and FIA were not informerd by Pirelli about the new tire.
Meni je ovo odmah poslije utrke palo na pamet,čak mislim da je to bio slučaj i u Kanadi.RB i Mercedes digli formu Lotus i Ferrari pali u formi
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Armanini je napisao/la:extremni camberi? za tlak zraka je brundle namirisao odmah nakon 2. puknute gume..
al jbmu, promjene u setupu (do dopustenih granica naravno) ne smiju utjecat na izdrzljivost gume.. nikako..
Armanini je napisao/la:zato jer nisu jos do sad dozivjeli da im gumar kaze kako ce nastelat bolid (a naravno da nisu rekli i upzorili nikoga oko tlaka guma ili cambera, to im je sad doslo na pamet)
Ova dva citata arma... Pirelli po narudžbi radi shit gume, to svi znamo...ali oni isto tako znaju u kojim se rasponima cambera, tlaka i ostalih postavki koje utječu na samu gumu one ponašaju predvidljivo, a u kojim manjim ili većim rasponima nastane kaos. Neznam sjećaš li se prošlogodišnje utrke u Spa i "blitseringom" (neznam prijevod) na prednjim gumama RB-a, i to samo kod njih, što se kasnije ispostavilo da je zato jer su imali veći negativni camber od preporučenog maksimuma

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Rear tyres that were mounted the wrong way round
?
pa zar im nije oznacena svaka guma?

ma.. lakrdija..
Je, svaka guma im je označena, ali momčadi još od prošle godine često mijenjaju lijevu i desnu gumu jer se na pojedinim stazama bolje zagrijavaju, duže traju ili nešto treće. Ove godine su stražnje gume konstrukcijski različite, tj. poznato je koja je lijeva, a koja desna, dok su prošle bile identične.

PS: Na slikama iz Monaka moglo se kod Ferrarija i još nekih vidjet da su naprijed imali lijevu gumu na desnoj strani, a desnu na lijevoj
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svasta :)

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