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vidc je napisao/la:
Dero je napisao/la:Mislim da ste krivo razumjeli što je SV htio reci. Ovaj njegov komentar bio je upucen na količinu torquea ( okretnog momenta ) koju bolidi mogu proizvesti i kako moraju oprezno dozirati ako žele zadržati stražnji kraj pri izlascima iz zavoja.
Nisam siguran za točne brojeve ali mislim da ce ovogodišnji turbači proizvoditi i duplo više torque nego V8 ( do 600nm naspram 300nm ili tako nesto )
to bi držalo vodu da ne postoji ovaj dio "racing will change"... nije dosta što moraju laganice zbog guma, sad će očigledno morat i zbog potrošnje goriva.
Nije to, nego ovo mene navodi da se tu ipak radi o štednji goriva: " If you drive like last year you won’t see the chequered flag"
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Jedna novina na bolidima...ispod kamere se nalaze crvena i zelena svjetla. Crveno - nije sigurno dirati golim rukama, zeleno - sigurno je...naravno, radi se o ERS-u
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Još ima nade...Toto Wolff o duplim bodovima na zadnjoj utrci
Wolff: “I think obviously the shitstorm we got afterwards was something not expected. Was it the right move or not? 99 per cent of our fans and spectators, and this is what counts, told us it was the wrong move so perhaps it is something to revisit.”
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Nije F1, ali je jako blizu i jako žalosno...

Dva zaposlenika McLarena su preminula u prometnoj nesreći u blizini MTC-a :(
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Renault po svemu sudeći je u velikim govnima ako je ono što je White rekao istina, a to je da rezultati s dinamometra ne odgovaraju onima na stazi
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Ako će to imati utjecaj na rezultate tokom sezone onda mi uopće nije žao što je tako. Dobro, žao mi malo Lotusa, ali oni su i tako u govnima pa im motor neće biti najveći problem :D
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Šta god se sada pričalo, ja se neću previše začuditi ako na prvoj trci Vettel osvoji pole p. i pobjedu.
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Ona homologacija motora krajem drugog mjeseca mi se sad opće ne čini tak lošom :)

Šalim se, nadam se da će Renault srediti jer bi to bil šlag na torti da od 12 momčadi 8 može voziti kak spada kraj duplih bodova, Pirellijevih wc papira, DRS-a, sudaca... Vjerojatno i hoće, samo je pitanje kolko su izgubili ovim testom. Momčadi vjerojatno i nisu jer na aerodinamičkom području nitko nije puno toga testirao i križao s ražličitim krilima (sjećam se Ferrarijevih, Force Indijinih i McLarenovih senzora, Ferrarijevog difuzora i to je to) poanta testa je bila pripremiti motor za Bahrein i sezonu. Mercedes i Ferrari su to napravili, Renault je tu u zaostatku.
Iako da mi ih je previše žao nije. Vidio sam kako rade aute, točnije Megenea, pa se ne čudim da ovo ne može odvoziti 3 kruga
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Na F1Tehnical anketa: "Do you like the sound of 2014 cars?"
"Yes 57%"
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Iskreno, mislim da onaj pravi puni zvuk koji cemo cuti prvenstveno u kvalifikacijama i utrci jos nismo culi.

Ali zasad zvuk ko zvuk, naviki se budu brzo svi njega ko i na sve drugo.
Mislim da se previse pozornosti daju zvuku i izgledu nego drugim problemima koji su bitniji. I svi samo o tome pricaju.
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zonelsk je napisao/la:Iskreno, mislim da onaj pravi puni zvuk koji cemo cuti prvenstveno u kvalifikacijama i utrci jos nismo culi.

Ali zasad zvuk ko zvuk, naviki se budu brzo svi njega ko i na sve drugo.
Mislim da se previse pozornosti daju zvuku i izgledu nego drugim problemima koji su bitniji. I svi samo o tome pricaju.
a koji su problemi bitniji od zvuka, F1 bi trebala grmit a ne tu da ima zvuk kao neki klinac kad si zbuši škarigo na autu. Nemam nis protiv zvuka samo mi fali onaj jak gromoglasni zvuk od V8 V10 itd
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10 najvećih plaća vozača
1. Fernando Alonso – Ferrari – €20 million ($27.14 million)
& Lewis Hamilton – Mercedes – €20 million ($27.14 million)
3. Jenson Button – McLaren – €16 million ($21.71 million)
& Sebastian Vettel – Red Bull – €16 million ($21.71 million)
5. Nico Rosberg – Mercedes – €11 million ($14.93 million)
6. Kimi Raikkonen – Ferrari – €10 million ($13.57 million)
7. Felipe Massa – Williams – €4 million ($5.43 million)
8. Daniel Ricciardo – Red Bull – €2.5 million ($3.3 million)
9. Sergio Perez – Force India – €2 million ($2.71 million)
10. Romain Grosjean – Lotus – €1.5 million ($2.04 million)
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F1NAC je napisao/la: a koji su problemi bitniji od zvuka, F1 bi trebala grmit a ne tu da ima zvuk kao neki klinac kad si zbuši škarigo na autu. Nemam nis protiv zvuka samo mi fali onaj jak gromoglasni zvuk od V8 V10 itd
Pa..hm...pouzdanost? limit potrosnje goriva?, umjetna formula sa svim pomagalima s kojima prosjecni vozaci postaju jergovicevi vanzemljaci?

Sorry ali kad pogledam cijelu F1 trenutno, zvuk mi je namanje bitan, manje bitan nego izgled bolida (ne opcenito nego u ovim okolnostima).

Ne brini ti, zvuk ce bit dobar ove generacije bolida, samo da krenu puno snagom...A ostalo...hm...
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FIA allows current noses, regulation tweaks set for 2015

The FIA have stepped in to declare the current Formula One car noses legal, moving its investigation into the safety of the new designs ahead for possible 2015 regulation tweak.

During last week's Jerez test, it became clear that some teams were unhappy with the solutions of others, judging the design solutions a mockery of the regulations and possibly making Formula One even more dangerous than it was with the high noses of 2013.

The FIA were unhappy with either solution and issued a technical directive on Thursday, asking teams to specify how they constructed their car's nose cones, requiring specifics of sections 50mm, 100mm and 150mm behind the tip of the nose.

However, as it would be likely that some teams would be severely disadvantaged by requiring them to redesign entirely new nose cones in time for the start of the season, the FIA have declared the new noses legal, but have repeated that further regulation changes will be made for 2015 to make sure that the "unsafe" workarounds on some 2014 cars are a thing of the past.

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Renault's Rob White sheds a light on engine issues

enault's depute technical managing director, Rob White, has explained what is the reason for Renault's lack of reliability, and the plans on how the company aim to resolve this in 3 weeks time to be ready for testing at Bahrain.

We have seen very little running from the Renault-engined teams this week. What have the issues been? "We have not run enough laps, and when we have they have not been run at an acceptable performance level. The underlying causes are not straightforward: there isn’t a single component or system that has caused particular trouble. A number of related things have been troublesome, principally concerning the control and operation of the various sub-systems of the Power Unit within the car.

"For example on the first run day, we had problems with a sub-system within the Energy Store that did not directly concern either the battery nor the operation of the battery – it is an electronic part that was in the same housing as the Energy Store. We subsequently had problems with turbocharger and boost control systems with knock-on effects on the associated engine management systems, subsequently provoking mechanical failures."


What fixes did you implement in Jerez?
"Between days 1 and 2 with the help of Red Bull, we implemented a later level of hardware for the rest of the test to address the problem within the Energy Store. This ran for the remaining days. In parallel to running in Jerez, the team at Viry has run dyno test programs to investigate the trackside problems and to propose solutions.
We identified the probable root cause of our main turbo control issues, implemented some workarounds that were first seen at the end of day 3 and deployed in the three cars for day 4. This established a very minimalist baseline from which we could build."


Why were these issues not flagged up on the dyno?
"We believed our initial configuration was a robust start point for track use but it has not proved to be the case. We have done substantial dyno running in a similar configuration with few issues. We now know that the differences between dyno and car are bigger than we expected, with the consequence that our initial impressions were incomplete and imperfect.
Our intention was to run the car; we are very frustrated to face this litany of issues that we should have ironed out on the dyno and which have deprived us of a precious learning opportunity."


Have you learned from the limited running?
"Absolutely, and at this stage every kilometre is hugely valuable. We recognize that when the cars have run, they are not running at an acceptable level. We are a long way from the type of operation we had planned and prepared for – largely as a result of the workarounds we have implemented – but all the information is useful. In dealing with the issues we have moved further away from the configuration we were comfortable with, which has resulted in the relatively slow times, but the running has given us a vastly greater understanding of the issues we face. We absolutely expect to have a more definitive solution in place for the next session in Bahrain."

Has every team experienced the same issues?
"Several problems are common to all, as the power unit is the same specification in all the cars except for relatively minor installations differences. Some problems are particular to one installation environment, but it is our responsibility to deal with all of them.

"In general, the individual issues are understood; we have worked with all three teams running this week and despite appearances, have made some useful progress. We have not uncovered any big new fundamental problem, although we must recognize that our limited running makes it impossible to be certain.


What is the road map from now until the second test in Bahrain?
"Of course we now have a large job list for Bahrain as a lot of the items we wanted to test in Jerez we have not been able to cover. The next stage is to identify the root causes for the problems we experienced, to develop the solutions to strengthen our validation process so we can be more confident to tackle Bahrain in a more normal way."

Are you concerned by the fact that engine specifications are frozen pre-season?
"The homologation deadline is the end of February and is fundamental to regulations. Beyond that time, changes are permitted only with prior approval from the FIA. Change is not forbidden, but subject to the sporting regulations and we should not get so hung up on this date."

In view of this test, are you still in favour of the new regulations?
"Yes absolutely. The powertrain regulations are a massive challenge but also an opportunity, and are hugely important in placing F1 back at the vanguard of technology. We have the necessary tools and determination to succeed.

"The step we must take to reach an acceptable level of in-car performance is bigger than we would have liked. It is unacceptable that we have not been able to mitigate the problems sufficiently to allow our partners to run at any length. We are working hard to correct this in time for Bahrain and aim to make amends there."
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Exclusive: Double points rule is because Ferrari failing, says Eccelstone

FORMULA ONE boss Bernie Ecclestone says he introduced controversial rules to award double points for the last race of the season in order to help Ferrari compete.

The oldest and most celebrated team on the grid have not won a world championship since 2007 – a predicament Ecclestone says contributed to his passing the rule, despite widespread opposition.

Ecclestone said of Ferrari chief Luca di Montezemolo: “He was talking about it and I said: ‘It is very simple why we got that [rule]. It is because you aren’t performing. If you were doing what you should be doing there wouldn’t be any need for it.’ He said: ‘I know, I know.’”

The new rules, which take effect from this year and mean the season finale in Abu Dhabi is worth twice as many points as other races, mean there is a greater chance of an outsider snatching the title.

Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel has won four world championships in succession and clinched last year’s crown three races before the end of the campaign.

Vettel has been one of the rule’s biggest critics, calling it “absurd” as it “punishes those who have worked hard for a whole season”, yet Ecclestone is pushing to extend it to the last three races.

That would need unanimous support but Red Bull boss Christian Horner is in favour as it would “take away an element of lottery over that last race”.
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Bit ce tu velika frka oko Prodromoua između RB i MCL
But in a further twist, it now appears that Prodromou’s arrival at McLaren is looking less likely to happen as Red Bull Racing have been working hard to get him to stay. The Englishman of Greek Cypriot parentage signed a contract with McLaren last autumn, but Red Bull team boss Christian Horner said at the time that he would not release his man until “at least” the end of his existing agreement with the Milton Keynes squad.

Now, in scenes reminiscent of Ron Dennis persuading Newey not to leave McLaren for Jaguar Racing despite signing a contract to go in the summer of 2001, it seems that Prodromou may stay at Newey’s side.

Contractually he is due to join McLaren at the end of his current contract, but there are indications that Red Bull wants to retain its man. McLaren would probably sue for breach of contract if he did not come to the team, but that is a matter of financial settlement, which Red Bull can well afford.
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kako funkcionira volan

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vidim po netu da se neki vozači žale da su ovi novi bolidi spori...pa sam malo izvukao neke podatkiće i evo ih:

Zanimljivo je pogledati vremena sa prvih testova u Jerezu kad je zadnji puta bila veća promjena pravila, doduše samo aerodinamičkih prije 5 godina, dakle 2009. Na tom testu nastupilo je 5 momčadi (Red Bull, Toro Rosso, McLaren, Williams i Renault) dok su još 3 momčadi testirale u Bahrainu (Ferrari, Toyota i BMW). Na testu u Jerezu najbolje vrijeme je postavio Buemi 1:19.660, ali u bolidu iz 2008. Najbolje vrijeme u novom bolidu za 2009. postavio je Vettel 1:22.177. To najbolje vrijeme prvog testa u Jerezu sa prethodnom generacijom bolida (koja je imala motore korištene već 3 sezone, tako da im oni nisu bili nepoznanica) je 1.099 sekundi brže od najboljeg vremena sa ovim novim bolidima koji uz to imaju i nepoznanicu više u obliku novih pogonskih jedinica.

i onda netko kaže da je ovogodišnja F1 spora, a tek sekundu sporija nego prošla generacija bolida kad je bila na početku svojeg života.

U 5 godina razvijanja prošla generacija bolida se ubrzala za oko 5 sekunda na stazi u Jerezu, zašto to i sad nebi bio slučaj?
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Stim, da vecina bolida nije bila na max snazi ove godine, niti su mocadi nesto posebno bazirale test na aerodinamici (osim osnova naravno).

Vjerujem da kroz god dvije budu ovi bolidi i brzi nego prosla generacija,
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Bili bi brži da se 2015. ne dodaje još 10kg i min. masa bolida diže na 701kg.
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umro je david robertson, menađer kimija raikkonena
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Formula 1 in push to shake up qualifying for 2014

Formula 1 teams and the FIA are to discuss plans for an immediate shake-up of qualifying rules to boost the spectacle, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Motor racing's governing body has convened a meeting with team managers for February 21, during the next F1 test in Bahrain, to discuss changing the format of qualifying for 2014.

The move has come after concerns were expressed in the recent F1 Strategy Group meeting that drivers may be more inclined this season to not run in Q3 in a bid to save tyres for the race.

To prevent qualifying being a turn-off for fans, the Strategy Group has asked that teams and the FIA discuss ideas to ensure that drivers are forced to push in Q3 for the best grid positions.

A RESPONSE TO TYRE SAVING

Under the current rules, the top ten drivers have to start the grand prix on the set of tyres that they set their best Q3 time on.

That has led to situations where drivers have elected to sit out the final qualifying session because it gives them a free tyre choice which can benefit their strategy for the race.

The aim of the February 21 meeting is to try to come up with a consensus for rules tweaks that will ensure that the spectacle of Q3 delivers.

AUTOSPORT has learned that a host of proposals are being put forward for discussion.

They include forcing the ten drivers who make it through to Q3 to start the race on the set of tyres that they set their best Q2 lap on.

That means that there will be no incentive to sit out Q3.

Furthermore, there is an idea to hand drivers extra sets of tyres for the final qualifying segment, which are returned to the FIA afterwards, that will allow them to push for the fastest lap without worrying it will compromise their race chances.

F1 tyre supplier Pirelli has always said it is open to the idea of supplying such qualifying tyres if teams wanted it.

There will also be discussions about lengthening the duration of Q3 to ensure there is enough time for the top ten drivers to complete two timed qualifying runs.

UNANIMOUS SUPPORT NEEDED

If any changes are to be made to the qualifying rules for this season then it will require unanimous support from all teams at the meeting.

If such backing is found, the rules tweaks will be put to the F1 Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council for ratification before the season-opening Australian Grand Prix on March 16.

But although the changes would likely improve the spectacle of Q3, some teams could object if they felt the new rules could hurt their competitiveness.
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čitam sad da su novi motori snažniji nego se očekivalo...oko 700KS V6 i turbo, oko 850KS zajedno sa ERS. stavit ću link kad budem na kompu

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Why a Formula 1 cost cap might work this time around

Uglavnom, momčadi su navodno pristale na brojku od 200milijuna dolara ili funti kao prvo ograničenje, koje će se sa godinama dalje smanjivati...a postoji i zanimljiv Bernijev prijedlog, jedan od rijetkih njegovih koji imaju smisla
Bernie Ecclestone has said today that he will offer €1 million to any whistleblower who informs the governing body if a team is cheating the budget cap. This is an inspired idea, as it’s a significant enough amount of money for someone employed at a team in the finance department or in the factory to consider risking their job for.

“The plan under consideration is to give €1 million to any whistleblower whose knowledge is proved to be accurate,” he told the Express. “We will then say to the team that the following year you will lose three of the maximum points you have scored. Then let’s see if they want to cheat.
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